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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I pick, all of the above. The evidence is in your postings.
    I note no one-other than Haymarket-has ever claimed I have misrepresented his previous posts.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    if it makes you feel better to spew nonsense, by all means, continue.
    Its a tough position to be assigned the task of claiming that all the encroachments that the Democrats scheme to perpetrate upon our right, are actually not violative of the second amendment and are authorized by the main body of the Constitution. This might explain the evasive nature of the arguments



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I note no one-other than Haymarket-has ever claimed I have misrepresented his previous posts.
    I expect nobody to speak for me except me. That is what a man does in this world.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Usurpers!?!?!?!? By your standard there seem to be a whole lot of them and they stand with me. And for the legislators and presidents and governors the American people put them into those jobs of responsibility and sent them back time and time again.

    I have explained what the word INFRINGED meant. Did you miss that?

    The first truly comprehensive dictionary of our language as spoken in the USA was issued in1828 by Noah Webster. This will help everyone understand what INFRINGED means during that era.

    http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/infringed

    As you may know, the first definition given is the most common and most used.





    So the right had to have been BROKEN to have been INFRINGED. If the right can be exercised - it is by obvious reality NOT BROKEN. The term INFRINGED - as used at the time - was far more final and definitive than any mere incremental step that people today call INFRINGEMENTS. The right had to be BROKEN to be INFRINGED.
    Stop.

    Your link says that the word "Infringed" means broken; violated; transgresses.

    This means that anything which breaks, violates, or transgresses upon something can be considered to infringe upon it.

    Yet you then say the word as used in the constitution exclusively means "broken", and further, that this usage means the 2nd A only prevents complete removal of the right to bear arms, rather than preventing...infringement upon said right.

    From where I'm sitting that sounds like some bull**** hackish logic, sir.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Stop.

    Your link says that the word "Infringed" means broken; violated; transgresses.

    This means that anything which breaks, violates, or transgresses upon something can be considered to infringe upon it.

    Yet you then say the word as used in the constitution exclusively means "broken", and further, that this usage means the 2nd A only prevents complete removal of the right to bear arms, rather than preventing...infringement upon said right.

    From where I'm sitting that sounds like some bull**** hackish logic, sir.
    No - the term given first is the most common usage. The following terms then should be viewed with the term BROKEN in mind.

    And lets look at the second usage - VIOLATED. If the right can be exercised, by its very nature it has not been violated. So there is no difference in BROKEN and VIOLATED.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - the term given first is the most common usage. The following terms then should be viewed with the term BROKEN in mind.

    And lets look at the second usage - VIOLATED. If the right can be exercised, by its very nature it has not been violated. So there is no difference in BROKEN and VIOLATED.
    What basis do you have for that take on the definition?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What basis do you have for that take on the definition?
    Read any introduction to a good dictionary and you will find that is how they work. The first definition listed is the most common. And so on down the line.

    As to the VIOLATED - if a right is being exercised or can be exercised it - by the very nature of the ability to exercise it - has not been violated. That is just reality.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No - the term given first is the most common usage. The following terms then should be viewed with the term BROKEN in mind.

    And lets look at the second usage - VIOLATED. If the right can be exercised, by its very nature it has not been violated. So there is no difference in BROKEN and VIOLATED.
    more BS. if a woman is raped she has been violated but not necessarily BROKEN

    try again. Shall not be infringed-means to anyone who believes in natural rights, that the right has been impeded, interfered with, encroached or violated. Your silly claim that the 2A is only infringed when someone cannot own any gun is pathetic and completely contradictory to the environment in which this amendment was created.

    and again, all this stupid nuancing of the 2A's language is worthless give that the federal government was never properly delegated any power to infringe, impede, encroach, regulate, piss on, screw over, sully, tarnish, tread up, or interfere with our RKBA



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more BS. if a woman is raped she has been violated but not necessarily BROKEN
    That is a really bad attempt to change the entire discussion to something beyond the Second Amendment. And we never use the word INFRINGED to describe a rape of a woman. So its just inane trying to put forth that argument.

    You have to consider the words in the context of the Amendment. Not other things that are not the Amendment.

    Shall not be infringed-means to anyone who believes in natural rights, that the right has been impeded, interfered with, encroached or violated.
    And you just indentified your own problem with the issue.

    So by your new rule that you just invented for us, none of the people who ever voted for a gun control law ever believed in natural rights. I welcome your presentation of that evidence. I will not wait up for it.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a really bad attempt to change the entire discussion to something beyond the Second Amendment. And we never use the word INFRINGED to describe a rape of a woman. So its just inane trying to put forth that argument.

    You have to consider the words in the context of the Amendment. Not other things that are not the Amendment.
    LOL you started using Broken and violated

    the fact is-the government does not have any proper powers in this area so your disingenuous attempts to pretend the 2A allows all sorts of infringements are without any merit whatsoever



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