View Poll Results: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

Voters
75. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    15 20.00%
  • No

    59 78.67%
  • Not sure

    1 1.33%
Page 110 of 136 FirstFirst ... 1060100108109110111112120 ... LastLast
Results 1,091 to 1,100 of 1352

Thread: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

  1. #1091
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,896

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It says, "shall not be infringed". So your whole, "creating an environment" meaning is a sham. It says nothing of "creating an environment".
    That is what many laws do - they create an environment for the nation and its people.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  2. #1092
    Sage
    countryboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    17,705

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is what many laws do - they create an environment for the nation and its people.
    Thank you Captain Obvious. But with respect to the 2A the government is restricted from creating laws which restrict a specific right. The right to keep and bear arms. That means they cannot legislate restrictions or limitations of any kind.

  3. #1093
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,896

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Thank you Captain Obvious. But with respect to the 2A the government is restricted from creating laws which restrict a specific right. The right to keep and bear arms. That means they cannot legislate restrictions or limitations of any kind.
    that is simply not true and never has been true. The Second Amendment says that the American people have the right to keep and bear arms. The duly elected representatives of the American people may exercise their Constitutional powers to enact legislation controlling and regulating firearms so long as they do not create an environment where the people cannot exercise their right.

    Let us look at who agrees with that common sense middle of the road position.



    Every single legislator who has voted for any regulation of firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single legislative body who has voted to pass a law for the regulation of firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single governor who has proposed a law for any regulation of firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single governor who has signed into law any regulation of firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single president proposed a law for any regulation of firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single president who has signed into law any regulation of firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single judge or justice who has upheld the constitutionality of a law regulating firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.
    Every single Court which has voted to uphold the constitutionality of a law regulating firearms has taken a position which is consistent with this interpretation.

    And that would include people from all sides of the aisle including noted conservative icons such as President Ronald Reagan.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  4. #1094
    Sage
    countryboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    17,705

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that is simply not true and never has been true.
    It absolutely is true, as evidenced by the words, "shall not be infringed". Why do you have such a difficult time with such a simple sentence?

    What does the word "infringed", mean? Why did the founders use that word specifically?

    If it's not true, why even have a Constitution?

  5. #1095
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,896

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It absolutely is true, as evidenced by the words, "shall not be infringed". Why do you have such a difficult time with such a simple sentence?

    What does the word "infringed", mean? Why did the founders use that word specifically?

    If it's not true, why even have a Constitution?
    No- It is not true and never has been. Please see the rest of my post above since I was adding when you posted your latest. It should clear things up for you.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  6. #1096
    Sage
    countryboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    17,705

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No- It is not true and never has been. Please see the rest of my post above since I was adding when you posted your latest. It should clear things up for you.
    I really don't care about usurpers. The meaning is clear. Get over it. We aren't discussing bad legislative decisions. We are discussing the meaning and intent of the founders.

    Now, answer my questions. What does the word "infringed", mean? Why did the founders use that word specifically?

    If it's not true, why even have a Constitution?

  7. #1097
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,896

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I really don't care about usurpers. The meaning is clear. Get over it. We aren't discussing bad legislative decisions. We are discussing the meaning and intent of the founders.

    Now, answer my questions. What does the word "infringed", mean? Why did the founders use that word specifically?

    If it's not true, why even have a Constitution?
    Usurpers!?!?!?!? By your standard there seem to be a whole lot of them and they stand with me. And for the legislators and presidents and governors the American people put them into those jobs of responsibility and sent them back time and time again.

    I have explained what the word INFRINGED meant. Did you miss that?

    The first truly comprehensive dictionary of our language as spoken in the USA was issued in1828 by Noah Webster. This will help everyone understand what INFRINGED means during that era.

    http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/infringed

    As you may know, the first definition given is the most common and most used.



    infringed

    INFRING'ED, pp. Broken; violated; transgresses.
    So the right had to have been BROKEN to have been INFRINGED. If the right can be exercised - it is by obvious reality NOT BROKEN. The term INFRINGED - as used at the time - was far more final and definitive than any mere incremental step that people today call INFRINGEMENTS. The right had to be BROKEN to be INFRINGED.
    Last edited by haymarket; 10-20-14 at 08:32 AM.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  8. #1098
    Sage
    countryboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    17,705

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Usurpers!?!?!?!? By your standard there seem to be a whole lot of them and they stand with me. And for the legislators and presidents and governors the American people put them into those jobs of responsibility and sent them back time and time again.

    I have explained what the word INFRINGED meant. Did you miss that?
    Yes, I missed it. Unless you copy and pasted the definition, as I did, you're wrong. So please, enlighten me.

  9. #1099
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:37 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,896

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Yes, I missed it. Unless you copy and pasted the definition, as I did, you're wrong. So please, enlighten me.
    see 1097
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  10. #1100
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,605

    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I really don't care about usurpers. The meaning is clear. Get over it. We aren't discussing bad legislative decisions. We are discussing the meaning and intent of the founders.

    Now, answer my questions. What does the word "infringed", mean? Why did the founders use that word specifically?

    If it's not true, why even have a Constitution?
    That is a very good question yet unlikely to ever be addressed by the SCOTUS. IMHO, "shall not be infringed" means the same thing as "shall not be abridged or denied". A better question is how a specifically mentioned, constitutional "right of the people" is deemed OK (by the SCOTUS) to be treated differently by many of the several states yet SSM (while never mentioned at all) must be fully allowed (nnot infringed?) in all of them.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •