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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But even you do not care about it AS WRITTEN. You care about it as you interpret it with the excuse of what some individual founder may have believed on some issue over 200 years ago in an America which really no longer exists for all practical purposes and then expect that people today are suppose to agree with you.
    this is not about Me Haymarket

    what it is about is what the 2A really means and if that meaning should be enforced by an amendment

    the founders clearly agreed that the 2A was designed to prevent any encroachment on a pre-existing right



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What it really means to you no doubt.
    I am not the issue here Haymarket, the issue is what the 2A means



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Second Amendment says that the American people have the right to keep and bear arms. The duly elected representatives of the American people may exercise their Constitutional powers to enact legislation controlling and regulating firearms so long as they do not create an environment where the people cannot exercise their right.
    Exercise? What does "exercise their right" even mean?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Exercise? What does "exercise their right" even mean?
    its turning around the purpose of the bill of rights which is a restriction on the federal government rather than telling people what they can do. You see, all those rights pre-existed the constitution so the constitution gives no rights to people but merely recognizes them



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Exercise? What does "exercise their right" even mean?
    It means the right can be utilized or enjoyed.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It means the right can be utilized or enjoyed.
    the Bill of rights is a restriction on what the government can do

    not a license for what citizens are allowed to do



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It means the right can be utilized or enjoyed.
    Enjoyed? Utilized?

    Can you describe the environment that the government would need to create such that people couldn't exercise/enjoy/utilize their right to keep and bear arms?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the Bill of rights is a restriction on what the government can do

    not a license for what citizens are allowed to do
    And what the government cannot do is create an environment where the right cannot be exercised.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    Enjoyed? Utilized?

    Can you describe the environment that the government would need to create such that people couldn't exercise/enjoy/utilize their right to keep and bear arms?
    People would not be allowed to have firearms.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And what the government cannot do is create an environment where the right cannot be exercised.
    It says, "shall not be infringed". So your whole, "creating an environment" meaning is a sham. It says nothing of "creating an environment". Why can't you get that through your head? The very word "infringe" means to limit, meaning, the government shall not limit the right of the people to keep, and bear arms. Get over it.

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