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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i understand the concept of being a citizen. as citizens we delegate the responsibility of governing to people that we elect.
    we don't give up our rights to make comments about the screw ups politicians or judges cause either

    the government loses court cases all the time BTW. where do you think those cases come from



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the principles of the constitution remain the same, only the means of fullfilling those principles have changed.



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    again that is not relevant and Wickard was the poster child of FDR era court dishonesty
    the same court which had Felix Frankfurther, Hugo Black, and William Douglas, who are considered great supreme court justices.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we don't give up our rights to make comments about the screw ups politicians or judges cause either

    the government loses court cases all the time BTW. where do you think those cases come from
    if the people are able to make their case before the courts and win, i think that is a sign that the system of government we have is functioning.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the principles of the constitution remain the same, only the means of fullfilling those principles have changed.

    means of fulfilling?...this is not defined...... do that for me please.

    principles embodied in the constitution

    equality

    unalienable rights

    LIMITED GOVERNMENT

    right to alter or abolish government.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the same court which had Felix Frankfurther, Hugo Black, and William Douglas, who are considered great supreme court justices.
    mainly by people who liked left leaning rulings even great judges have some real brain farts of bouts of statist stupidity. example. CJ Roberts and obamacare



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is not relevant. what is relevant is what did the founders intend for the 2A to do
    and why is that more relevant that how the people and their government of 2014 see that same question today?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and why is that more relevant that how the people and their government of 2014 see that same question today?
    This is not about what some people "see today"

    this is not what the government says

    its about what the 2A really means



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anyone who wants the constitution to be enforced and respected as written would be concerned.
    But even you do not care about it AS WRITTEN. You care about it as you interpret it with the excuse of what some individual founder may have believed on some issue over 200 years ago in an America which really no longer exists for all practical purposes and then expect that people today are suppose to agree with you.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This is not about what some people "see today"

    this is not what the government says

    its about what the 2A really means
    What it really means to you no doubt.

    And I suspect that everybody who has an opinion on this feels that they see the Amendment for "what it really means". So how is your opinion the only valid one?
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