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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I already gave you the language direct from the US Constitution. To deny that is .... well ... it is inconceivable!!!
    I want to see the language and I want you to point out where private firearms were mentioned

    it cannot be done

    are you incapable of cutting and pasting the words and then discussing how those words delegate that power?



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not only do I know what it is, I taught it several hundred times over the years and strongly support it.


    that claim belies your previous post



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post


    that claim belies your previous post
    how so? Again - lay out a position, support it with verifiable evidence, and debate.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sadly for you, the personal views of Madison are not part of the Constitution and as so are irrelevant next to the document itself. But then you know that because I have told you that many many times whenever you bring up this canard.
    attention, attention!!

    Haymarket states James Madison irrelevant to constitution
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    the father of the Constitution James Madison, ..the man who worked on the Constitution, before and during constitutional convention.

    the man who created more works on the constitution then anyone, and the author of the bill of rights...

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you mean the one where you jump from trying to connect one number on one page of the coloring book to connecting it to a different number in a different coloring book and then to a third number in yet a different coloring book - yes that was crushed and flushed when you first brought it up.
    you failure is not my problem, if you would spent more time reading about our founding documents, you would have less trouble.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    attention, attention!!

    Haymarket states James Madison irrelevant to constitution
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    the father of the Constitution James Madison, ..the man who worked on the Constitution, before and during constitutional convention.

    the man who created more works on the constitution then anyone, and the author of the bill of rights...
    Compared to what the 55 men wrote and adopted as the law of the land - YES INDEED EB - the personal opinion of any Founder - even the sitting at the right hand of God Himself - is indeed IRRELEVANT.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you failure is not my problem, if you would spent more time reading about our founding documents, you would have less trouble.
    You pronounce my failure but you then FAIL to document it. You seem to be getting increasingly frustrated and angry.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so it is your learned opinion that gun control is a necessary and proper power of the federal government even though the founders clearly saw that as a state issue. would say traffic control and zoning also be a necessary and proper power?

    FDR claimed the government needed this power to combat a federally created problem-prohibition gangsters. He couldn't ban gangsters so he pandered by essentially banning machine guns. 20 years later, pimps in office tried to ban bike gangs by severely restricting "switchblade knives" (can anyone argue that was needed or a federal law was proper for that)

    however the states had the power to regulate machine guns without invoking bogus claims of constitutional authority. what this means is FDR wanted to pander rather than there was a real necessity for this law
    how well did the individual states fare in handling the crime wave perpetrated by the Barrow Gang, which was able to avoid being caught by local authorities by simply crossing state and county borders to escape jurisdiction. the boundary between national issuess and state issues is blurry.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Compared to what the 55 men wrote and adopted as the law of the land - YES INDEED EB - the personal opinion of any Founder - even the sitting at the right hand of God Himself - is indeed IRRELEVANT.
    IRRELEVANT?

    is James Madison IRRELEVANT...to the BILL OF RIGHTS...YES OR NO?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    IRRELEVANT?

    is James Madison IRRELEVANT...to the BILL OF RIGHTS...YES OR NO?
    Compared to what the 55 men wrote and was adopted as the law of the land by the various states- YES INDEED EB - the personal opinion of any Founder - even the sitting at the right hand of God Himself - is indeed IRRELEVANT.
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