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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I've stated before, a person with a gun is more likely to defend themselves than one without. But they are also more likely to shoot themselves or some innocent person. Both are true. But when we measure how many times either is done, we have to measure reported and verifiable events and not just poll and garner opinions.
    Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

    Why can't libs ever answer a simple, "yes, or no" question?

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

    Why can't libs ever answer a simple, "yes, or no" question?
    Yes. The study is well published. Surely you've seen it before.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    is the sale of firearms not considered an act of commerce?
    Uh where does that term appear in the commerce clause?

    where does the commerce clause even reference individuals?

    nice try but that's more mental masturbation



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

    Why can't libs ever answer a simple, "yes, or no" question?
    its a worthless study because it does not consider all the times crimes are prevented without a criminal being shot

    private citizens are far less likely to shoot other innocents than cops are and far more likely to shoot the criminal than cops are



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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    hay, i have been very clear about what i have stated, if you feel as if you got lost in that conversation, please revisit previous post to find your questions answered.
    If you mean the one where you jump from trying to connect one number on one page of the coloring book to connecting it to a different number in a different coloring book and then to a third number in yet a different coloring book - yes that was crushed and flushed when you first brought it up.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Do you have any evidence to support this assertion?

    Why can't libs ever answer a simple, "yes, or no" question?
    Simple yes and no questions are used by people who hope to deceive.

    Start your reading here: http://www.annemergmed.com/article/S.../abstract?cc=y

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a worthless study because it does not consider all the times crimes are prevented without a criminal being shot

    private citizens are far less likely to shoot other innocents than cops are and far more likely to shoot the criminal than cops are
    And you're free to present actual evidence.

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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only fact that is undisputed is that millions upon millions of more firearms are in circulation

    and gun clubs and gun instructors are seeing more and more people seeking their services
    yes - I took no issue with that. And only shows the gun folk are more ardent in their pursuits than ever while the general population rejects gun ownership compared to previous years.
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh where does that term appear in the commerce clause?

    where does the commerce clause even reference individuals?

    nice try but that's more mental masturbation
    it has been argued that nothing in the constitution directly stated that the federal government could charter a bank, but that was Before the supreme court proved otherwise in their ruling of McCulloch V. Maryland.

    i prsume you are familiar with the particulars of that case?
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    Re: Do you think the second amendment needs amended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there is no obvious language or even language that reasonably can be inferred to delegate the power of gun control to the federal government.
    You asked and I provided you with the obvious language. It could not be more obvious.



    and guess what-DOn't you think anti gun politicians would have used that language if they thought it meant that?
    You are arguing with me - not them. I could not care less what anybody else may think.

    your contradictory interpretations of two parts of the constitution are hilarious.
    I said nothing of the kind nor have you pointed out anything of the kind.

    Congress doesn't have any power to regulate guns.
    But we have already looked at the language which gives them that authority. So your denial is one of pure belief and not based on anything other than your own personal belief simply because you want to believe it.

    that's why FDR made up that power in the commerce clause
    And indeed that is one clause that can be used.

    try again, your argument is without any merit and is completely contrary to the entire concept of a government limited to specific power
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