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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    1 and 3 make sense.
    2 I have a hard time letting someone try to bully me. As a mostly law abiding citizen, traffic laws not withstanding, I have a big problem with LE expecting compliance to search requests and such. If you give up your rights so easily, are you really entitled to them in the first place?

    The justice system has become a bad joke. It makes chicken jokes and knock knock jokes look like roflers.
    You can't count on the justice system being just and fair anymore.

    We've discussed refusing to consent to search. I never give permission for searches, but I do so very politely and carefully.

    My son is 18. While he has good manners he is not eloquent when upset, and I don't want him scaring the police into something rash.

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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    You know you make me wonder one thing. Has there been more bad shootings than their used to be or is it just nowadays with video cameras everywhere bad shootings are being found out about.


    Impossible to say. Accurate stats on this stuff are not available. I've looked.

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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Maybe I've been lucky but I have never run into what I would call a bad cop. I have always treated cops with courtesy and respect and got the same in return.


    I have, both in and out of uniform.


    Granted... if you are polite and come across as Joe Solid Citizen, you are FAR less likely to be harassed. In fact, most good cops will be extra-courteous and might even give you a break on something small if you are polite and seem "solid".


    But there are exceptions, and they are not as rare as they should be. I've encountered some really bad apples at times, I regret to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Truth. For some, it is a matter of potential threat appraisal. For others, it is a matter of ego and feeling less than Master Of This Situation. Cops are in fact trained to assert dominance in all encounters, which practice I question. Public servants? Hm.


    One reason I worry for my son. He's a giant of a man and looks rather ferocious when he is unhappy, though in fact he is no threat to any cop or law abiding citizen.
    At least around here, it seems like pure ego to me. Just wanting to swing their dicks around. I watched them abuse my father even when he was being totally polite and was obviously extremely ill and, despite his size, probably not capable of killing a fly, much less a cop.

    I have never been so close to losing my mind despite the risk in my life. But I managed to hold it together and use the full power of my "cute innocent little white woman" to try to bring things back under control and stop him from getting basically attacked. It took every ounce of self-control I had.

    I was the one on the edge of my sanity in that situation, not the suffering man these assholes were messing with. If they had hurt him, I don't know what I would have done. I call for help and I got this bull**** instead. I felt like I was negotiating a hostage situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    THat's one of the reasons I couldn't be a cop. My impulse would be to go rogue.
    At a very weird point in my life I joined a municipal police force in central Ontario. Then, you went to work like any other cop, unarmed and in the company of a cop half the time, while taking studies the other half. Three months and one domestic dispute and it was all over for me. The bastard let me see him punch his wife in the eye. My "partner" threatened to charge me with assault....so I quit and went to work in a record store.

    I have to say, along the way I have met some cops of whom I can only stand in awe, to remain calm and unaffected in the face of some really ugly **** is astonishing. I have no problem if one of them one time loses it and goes ape on some deserving ****. My argument is with cops who think everyone they encounter is a deserving ****.
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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    At least around here, it seems like pure ego to me. Just wanting to swing their dicks around. I watched them abuse my father even when he was being totally polite and was obviously extremely ill and, despite his size, probably not capable of killing a fly, much less a cop.

    I have never been so close to losing my mind despite the risk in my life. But I managed to hold it together and use the full power of my "cute innocent little white woman" to try to bring things back under control and stop him from getting basically attacked. It took every ounce of self-control I had.

    I was the one on the edge of my sanity in that situation, not the suffering man these assholes were messing with. If they had hurt him, I don't know what I would have done. I call for help and I got this bull**** instead. I felt like I was negotiating a hostage situation.

    Yeah, sounds like you got a bad one on that call. I'm sorry you had to endure that, truly... as someone who used to wear the badge, I apologize on behalf of good cops who find that story appalling.

    It is kind of a crap shoot when you call 911, as to what "flavor" of cop you'll get.... which is one reason I try not to make that call if I can help it.

    Sad state of affairs, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    At a very weird point in my life I joined a municipal police force in central Ontario. Then, you went to work like any other cop, unarmed and in the company of a cop half the time, while taking studies the other half. Three months and one domestic dispute and it was all over for me. The bastard let me see him punch his wife in the eye. My "partner" threatened to charge me with assault....so I quit and went to work in a record store.

    I have to say, along the way I have met some cops of whom I can only stand in awe, to remain calm and unaffected in the face of some really ugly **** is astonishing. I have no problem if one of them one time loses it and goes ape on some deserving ****. My argument is with cops who think everyone they encounter is a deserving ****.

    I regret to say that a lot of times, that is a result of desensitization from long-term exposure... and the seeming unaffected-ness often results from not giving a **** any more.


    It's not something you want in your head, the way long-term LEO's get hardened and often indifferent to the terrible things they see... it's a defense mechanism, and keeps you halfway sane, but the price tag is high.

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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I regret to say that a lot of times, that is a result of desensitization from long-term exposure... and the seeming unaffected-ness often results from not giving a **** any more.


    It's not something you want in your head, the way long-term LEO's get hardened and often indifferent to the terrible things they see... it's a defense mechanism, and keeps you halfway sane, but the price tag is high.


    That's called "burn out". Modern policing is addressing it, one of many ways of doing so is altering tasks, re-assigning etc.

    If that's the issue, it's time the populace started demanding their police forces come out of the 19th century.
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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, sounds like you got a bad one on that call. I'm sorry you had to endure that, truly... as someone who used to wear the badge, I apologize on behalf of good cops who find that story appalling.

    It is kind of a crap shoot when you call 911, as to what "flavor" of cop you'll get.... which is one reason I try not to make that call if I can help it.

    Sad state of affairs, isn't it?
    What was really ****ed up about it is that the cop wasn't even the worst one, though he was bad enough. The worst one was the first responder. I had called for an ambulance. As soon as they found out he was on painkillers, they basically decided he was a druggie and called the cops.

    I was so furious. These people were supposed to be helping him, and he got treated like a criminal instead, by both the police and medical professionals. It was almost like having no help at all.

    The only thing that saved me, honestly, was my dad doing with me pretty much what you did with your son, plus an extra lesson on "use their stereotypes against them and be the damsel."

    Thank you. Sorry for the rant. As you can see, I'm not over it.

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    Re: cops

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    That's called "burn out". Modern policing is addressing it, one of many ways of doing so is altering tasks, re-assigning etc.

    If that's the issue, it's time the populace started demanding their police forces come out of the 19th century.

    I've been saying for years that we need some kind of rotation system, or making LE service more like the military, where most serve a few years and move on to private sector careers. Over the long haul the way it affects the mind is scary.... it took me many years to "recover".

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