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  • I am a REPUBLICAN and I FAVOR the actions taken AND support grounded troops

    2 8.00%
  • I am a DEMOCRAT and I FAVOR the actions taken AND support grounded troops

    1 4.00%
  • I am INDEPENDENT and I FAVOR the actions taken AND support grounded troops

    5 20.00%
  • I am a REPUBLICAN and I FAVOR the actions taken BUT do not support grounded troops

    1 4.00%
  • I am a DEMOCRAT and I FAVOR the actions taken BUT do not support grounded troops

    2 8.00%
  • I am INDEPENDENT and I FAVOR the actions taken BUT do not support grounded troops

    4 16.00%
  • I am a REPUBLICAN and I OPPOSE the actions taken

    1 4.00%
  • I am a DEMOCRAT and I OPPOSE the actions taken

    3 12.00%
  • I am INDEPENDENT and I OPPOSE the actions taken

    6 24.00%
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Ha... you politically brainwashed people make me chuckle. All of you! Who are all lined up in and told by your political leaders what to think and who to identify yourself as.
    naw. People arguing in favor of delaying or averring action in favor of "meaningful exchange" are invariably left wing, as are those who adopt technocratic non-partisan tropes. It's just part of the common self-perception over there; although to be fair it's hardly monolithically theirs.

    However, you are overreacting to me joshing you - you'll notice the ""?

    And of course, try to put other people in political boxes as well in order to make any real discussion on the issue, impossible. Its nonsensical drivel like this that divides this nation, raises an uneducated populace because you don't have to think for yourself.
    spare me childlike insistence that everyone is somehow unable/willing to think and/or brainwashed and that you - only you brave few - dare come to conclusions or weigh evidence. It's cute (if annoying) when a high schooler does it thinking he's the reincarnation of Oh Captain My Captain, but left checked it metastasizes rapidly into one of the variants of college-know-it-all-hippyism.

    Here is your label.... This is what we believe, and this is our church, no need to think! We have the answers for you! If your with us, we will show you who to hate... I am so sick of politics!
    feel free to check out of the human race then. Because this:

    I agree with military intervention in the Middle East. But its intervention very few if any Americans would ever support. 500-750K troops, with more on standby. A war of overwhelming and decisive force to rid the ME of its extremists and free its populace so that society there could reach its full potential
    ...is all politics. Through and through.

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Thank you all for the responses! These responses have been very helpful to me.

    &... for those jumping on the negativity bandwagon about my thread (assuming their cockiness has taken over their integrity), yes... the public opinion poll was exactly what was asked for to complete this assignment.

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh pooh!

    Aren't we talking about the United States?

    This is the country that had more than half it's Pacific fleet destroyed in one day and rebounded to, within months, kick the living **** out of the Japanese Navy, and then joined the fray in Europe AGAINST the wishes of more than 50% of the nation.

    What NEEDS to change is the idea that to "pacify everyone in this Country" is an objective. With the nation as I see it from here more divided even than the 60's, I doubt ANYONE is going to be pacified. The US has to stop waging war for political reasons and conducting them to appease the talking heads on TV. That's how you got into this mess in the first place, both Bush's got soaring numbers in waging war. Obama tried to be a rock star while ignoring his military advisers.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower, one of the most underrated presidents IMO, said it best. Once the politics have failed, it becomes a military matter and the military is the only faction that knows war, the politicians need to shut up....or something close to that.

    So, you need that ill defined, but critical thing called leadership, and like FDR, Kennedy, Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt, true leadership often means doing what is unpopular. But by doing it well and achieving measurable results, the nation, at least the United States, has always regrouped around it's leader.

    I am far from a military strategist, I lose at paint ball and board games, so it would be ludicrous for me to suggest how to wage this war. However, if it is going to be 'won' it has to have a plan with clear objectives, and it has to be waged all out regardless of opinion at home.
    Good points dude. I would add that while quoting Eisenhower it would be worth while to point to his comments and concerns of an industry he watched grow out of World War Two that was a threat to America. An industry that would be dependent upon perpetual war. An industry so far, the biggest beneficiary to this no end in sight war on an ideology that is propped up in one place to be knocked down in another in perpetuity. Also known as the nebulous "war on terror".
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good points dude. I would add that while quoting Eisenhower it would be worth while to point to his comments and concerns of an industry he watched grow out of World War Two that was a threat to America. An industry that would be dependent upon perpetual war. An industry so far, the biggest beneficiary to this no end in sight war on an ideology that is propped up in one place to be knocked down in another in perpetuity. Also known as the nebulous "war on terror".
    I was hoping someone would catch that. One of the greatest military leaders the US ever produced, genius enough to win the confidence of the British and the allies to appoint him head of the show. What we have been watching since 911 is the 'perfect war', finer than Orwel's 1984, one with an undefined enemy and one that cannot ever be beaten. Since the invention of the "limited war" and the great ratings success of Operation Desert Storm, no sector has benefited greater than the MIC. Not only do they get guaranteed work but simply must also serve to arm America's ever changing allies. In 1984 it was the enemy that changed making necessary the "Ministry of Truth" which had to rewrite history ever time alliances changed.

    Deja Vu?
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yeah, and they weren't beheading people in NYC. There is a psychological difference between someone who is willing to fly an airplane into a skyscraper, and someone who is willing to cut off someone's head up close and personal. THe former is impersonal. It kills, but there is a mindlessness to the psychological aspect. Beheading is a special type of savagery.
    I think beheading is one of the scariest forms of killing. It's almost symbolic of removing the mind of the victim. You also have to be very close and personal. Once the hijackers distanced themselves from the innocent people on the planes, they didn't have to confront them and view them as people. It's like shooting someone as opposed to strangling someone or stabbing someone. Those are deeply personal acts requiring you to acknowledge that your victim is a person.

    To the OP, I'm a right leaning libertarian who normally opposes war and definitely opposes attacking a country/group who doesn't attack us first, but in the case of ISIS, I'm all for pre-emptive action.

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I was hoping someone would catch that. One of the greatest military leaders the US ever produced, genius enough to win the confidence of the British and the allies to appoint him head of the show. What we have been watching since 911 is the 'perfect war', finer than Orwel's 1984, one with an undefined enemy and one that cannot ever be beaten. Since the invention of the "limited war" and the great ratings success of Operation Desert Storm, no sector has benefited greater than the MIC. Not only do they get guaranteed work but simply must also serve to arm America's ever changing allies. In 1984 it was the enemy that changed making necessary the "Ministry of Truth" which had to rewrite history ever time alliances changed.

    Deja Vu?
    Greetings, F&L.

    And in 1984, the audiences watching the mandatory presentation all left the auditorium hating the new enemy, even though they were a friend the week before! Is that the goal of being successful at propaganda- the government is the only one who knows what's best?

    If you recall the scenery which showed the slums that most people lived in, it's obvious which segment of the population is being targeted in the movie! I guess it's easy to do when you have people with a grudge against their life in general - it gives them something to focus on to blame instead of themselves? Today, "income inequality" seems to be the mantra, and "tax the rich more" is being used, even though the wealthy already pay over 70 percent of the taxes collected in this country, while the unhappy ones pay nothing at all! Disgusting!

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by TSAE View Post
    Hi, I am doing an assignment for my sociology class, and I would like to hear from the League community about what they think about what's been going on in the Middle East currently. So my question is,

    1. Do you Favor or Oppose the military action the United States is taking in Iraq and Syria against Islamic Militants commonly known as ISIS?

    Also,
    2. Would you Favor or Oppose the United States sending ground troops to Iraq and Syria in order to assist groups in those countries that are fighting the Islamic Militants commonly known as ISIS?

    Also, state if you are a Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

    If you are unfamiliar with the current issue (which in these forums, I'd hope it's unlikely), here are some fast facts you can catch up with on CNN
    ISIS Fast Facts - CNN.com
    I am a member of the Reform Party so you can classify me as you wish. I back the president in his bombing campaign, but and there is always a but. I do not think it goes far enough. Limited air strikes as has been going on is probably doing nothing more than getting ISIS dander up. Remember we tried this graduated stuff during the Vietnam War, it didn't work then.

    I think to be successful we must make nice with Assad, he has the ground force we need if we are not going to send in our own. It is decision time, which is the most evil, Assad or ISIS and those groups allied or affiliated with AQ and terrorism.

    Now I could be wrong about this, I think the reason why we are only doing limited air strikes is that we, this administration, the president, still wants to do away with both ISIS and Assad. He knows to degrade ISIS too fast would only make Assad stronger. I am backing the president in hopes that finally he may realize at sometime in the near future that the only hope of limited air strikes to work, he must have those boots on the ground and the only place in the near future, the next year or two anyway they may come from is Assad. That is unless Turkey turns their army loose in Syria, but I suspect if they do it will only to be used to create a buffer zone. There is no love between Turkey and Assad.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    And in 1984, the audiences watching the mandatory presentation all left the auditorium hating the new enemy, even though they were a friend the week before! Is that the goal of being successful at propaganda- the government is the only one who knows what's best?

    If you recall the scenery which showed the slums that most people lived in, it's obvious which segment of the population is being targeted in the movie! I guess it's easy to do when you have people with a grudge against their life in general - it gives them something to focus on to blame instead of themselves? Today, "income inequality" seems to be the mantra, and "tax the rich more" is being used, even though the wealthy already pay over 70 percent of the taxes collected in this country, while the unhappy ones pay nothing at all! Disgusting!


    I have vague memory of the movie but the book is read often. The dissatisfaction/fear of the populace is key, and crucial, but it is not Orwellian. It is actually the stuff of Machiavelli, where not only does "the Prince" manipulate fear, creating false enemies, but he labors at division, both along sectarian lines, but economic and racial as well.

    It should be required study, not just reading in US schools, The Prince is the hand book of tyranny in varying forms, practiced through intense propaganda through the cold war where, to this day, "commies" remain a threat if only through the tiny island of Cuba.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I was hoping someone would catch that. One of the greatest military leaders the US ever produced, genius enough to win the confidence of the British and the allies to appoint him head of the show. What we have been watching since 911 is the 'perfect war', finer than Orwel's 1984, one with an undefined enemy and one that cannot ever be beaten. Since the invention of the "limited war" and the great ratings success of Operation Desert Storm, no sector has benefited greater than the MIC. Not only do they get guaranteed work but simply must also serve to arm America's ever changing allies. In 1984 it was the enemy that changed making necessary the "Ministry of Truth" which had to rewrite history ever time alliances changed.

    Deja Vu?
    Amen to that bro!
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    I favor our actions so far but I don't think they go far enough. I think to fight homespun terror groups, in general, it serves the mission to impart more serious consequences for cooperation with ISIS to the general population. If ISIS hides its assets in civilian areas, bombs should still fall on the targets after a pamphlet, in the predominate language, is dropped telling the population it's going to happen in 1 hour. Every location ISIS uses as a base should be razed to the ground after extermination of ISIS operatives and a civic building built in its place. Anyone caught shielding ISIS by choice should be exterminated along with ISIS. Any investigation should be highly prejudiced against the suspect. Make connection to or cooperation with ISIS more dangerous than ISIS itself. If the people turn on ISIS, ISIS has nowhere to hide.

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