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  • I am a REPUBLICAN and I FAVOR the actions taken AND support grounded troops

    2 8.00%
  • I am a DEMOCRAT and I FAVOR the actions taken AND support grounded troops

    1 4.00%
  • I am INDEPENDENT and I FAVOR the actions taken AND support grounded troops

    5 20.00%
  • I am a REPUBLICAN and I FAVOR the actions taken BUT do not support grounded troops

    1 4.00%
  • I am a DEMOCRAT and I FAVOR the actions taken BUT do not support grounded troops

    2 8.00%
  • I am INDEPENDENT and I FAVOR the actions taken BUT do not support grounded troops

    4 16.00%
  • I am a REPUBLICAN and I OPPOSE the actions taken

    1 4.00%
  • I am a DEMOCRAT and I OPPOSE the actions taken

    3 12.00%
  • I am INDEPENDENT and I OPPOSE the actions taken

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    ... and they are bringing it much closer to home.
    Why do you say that? Other than a few beheadings, have they attacked us at home?

    You don't seriously believe that they are massing troops at the US-Mexico border do you?
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't see any reason why those of us who use this forum should help you do your schoolwork.

    You'll learn a lot more if you knuckle down and do it yourself.
    If his schoolwork is a poll, I don't see any reason we shouldn't.

    this stuff needs to be actively debated and discussed and looked into - by everyone. Especially students.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by TSAE View Post
    Hi, I am doing an assignment for my sociology class, and I would like to hear from the League community about what they think about what's been going on in the Middle East currently. So my question is,

    1. Do you Favor or Oppose the military action the United States is taking in Iraq and Syria against Islamic Militants commonly known as ISIS?

    Also,
    2. Would you Favor or Oppose the United States sending ground troops to Iraq and Syria in order to assist groups in those countries that are fighting the Islamic Militants commonly known as ISIS?

    Also, state if you are a Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

    If you are unfamiliar with the current issue (which in these forums, I'd hope it's unlikely), here are some fast facts you can catch up with on CNN
    ISIS Fast Facts - CNN.com
    Would you like our responses proof read and double spaced or can you handle that?

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by TSAE View Post
    Hi, I am doing an assignment for my sociology class, and I would like to hear from the League community about what they think about what's been going on in the Middle East currently. So my question is,

    1. Do you Favor or Oppose the military action the United States is taking in Iraq and Syria against Islamic Militants commonly known as ISIS?

    Also,
    2. Would you Favor or Oppose the United States sending ground troops to Iraq and Syria in order to assist groups in those countries that are fighting the Islamic Militants commonly known as ISIS?

    Also, state if you are a Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

    If you are unfamiliar with the current issue (which in these forums, I'd hope it's unlikely), here are some fast facts you can catch up with on CNN
    ISIS Fast Facts - CNN.com


    Regardless of ideology and whether this a Bush screw up or Obama's, I oppose the actions of the US. Like so many past engagements of limited warfare, it is unlikely to be effective in the way it is being waged.

    Clearly Obama is very reluctant to even do this for obvious personal political reasons, he again is going against the advice of his military advisers despite the fact in doing so previously he allowed the formation of ISIS, his dithering and "red line" blather only helped the image of ISIS as stronger than the US. By announcing the bombing weeks in advance, the enemy has dug in a prepared. They are counting on a high rate of civilian deaths to further rally the populace against the US.

    Now that the pre-withdrawal stability has been lost, it will have to be reclaimed the hard way, troops on the ground in a multinational force, something Obama has been entirely unable to put together. Then, as with the greatest war successes in America's history, install a Marshal plan like recovery. It's how the US made two of its strongest allies, Germany and Japan.

    Massacring thousands of people, as is being called for by some for will only create twice as many new terrorists.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I liked Bush. I dont like Obama. This isn't political for me. ISIS is different from what we have been dealing with, from what I can tell, and they are bringing it much closer to home.


    First, Liz, we have to ask whether the 'war on terror' has been effective at all.

    The first invasion was 13 years ago in the most varied international force ever assembled, even pacifist Canada did some heavy lifting.

    The war has no end in sight, military advisers have said it will take another 20 years. In the meantime, instead of the disease being contained, the initial objective, it has spread like bacteria, infesting every opening it can, from Libya to Syria, Iraq.....

    We now see the result of pulling troops out, the disease Metastasized quickly spreading across two countries in a matter of months.

    Clearly the "enemy" is no weaker than 911, and apparently stronger, greater in number and far, far more vicious [the high publicity ISIS gave itself in that horror suggests taunting, they want the US in country].

    I fail to see any success so far other than the US has chased terrorism back to the middle east, which I think was Bush's plan along. The "war on terror" as it is being waged at present is not working. It is only creating more terrorists.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Regardless of ideology and whether this a Bush screw up or Obama's, I oppose the actions of the US. Like so many past engagements of limited warfare, it is unlikely to be effective in the way it is being waged.

    Clearly Obama is very reluctant to even do this for obvious personal political reasons, he again is going against the advice of his military advisers despite the fact in doing so previously he allowed the formation of ISIS, his dithering and "red line" blather only helped the image of ISIS as stronger than the US. By announcing the bombing weeks in advance, the enemy has dug in a prepared. They are counting on a high rate of civilian deaths to further rally the populace against the US.

    Now that the pre-withdrawal stability has been lost, it will have to be reclaimed the hard way, troops on the ground in a multinational force, something Obama has been entirely unable to put together. Then, as with the greatest war successes in America's history, install a Marshal plan like recovery. It's how the US made two of its strongest allies, Germany and Japan.

    Massacring thousands of people, as is being called for by some for will only create twice as many new terrorists.
    Greetings, F&L.

    How can this be handled now and still pacify everyone in this Country, while simultaneously attempting to save whatever face we have left on the world stage? ISIS and the other terrorists apparently have us checkmated!

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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    How can this be handled now and still pacify everyone in this Country, while simultaneously attempting to save whatever face we have left on the world stage? ISIS and the other terrorists apparently have us checkmated!

    Oh pooh!

    Aren't we talking about the United States?

    This is the country that had more than half it's Pacific fleet destroyed in one day and rebounded to, within months, kick the living **** out of the Japanese Navy, and then joined the fray in Europe AGAINST the wishes of more than 50% of the nation.

    What NEEDS to change is the idea that to "pacify everyone in this Country" is an objective. With the nation as I see it from here more divided even than the 60's, I doubt ANYONE is going to be pacified. The US has to stop waging war for political reasons and conducting them to appease the talking heads on TV. That's how you got into this mess in the first place, both Bush's got soaring numbers in waging war. Obama tried to be a rock star while ignoring his military advisers.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower, one of the most underrated presidents IMO, said it best. Once the politics have failed, it becomes a military matter and the military is the only faction that knows war, the politicians need to shut up....or something close to that.

    So, you need that ill defined, but critical thing called leadership, and like FDR, Kennedy, Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt, true leadership often means doing what is unpopular. But by doing it well and achieving measurable results, the nation, at least the United States, has always regrouped around it's leader.

    I am far from a military strategist, I lose at paint ball and board games, so it would be ludicrous for me to suggest how to wage this war. However, if it is going to be 'won' it has to have a plan with clear objectives, and it has to be waged all out regardless of opinion at home.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    But the old type of terrorist was pretty savage, ideological and bloodthirsty and brought it home to the US on 9/11. They resided in Afghanistan and going in there to get them is exactly the type of war the US should be involved in.
    Yeah, and they weren't beheading people in NYC. There is a psychological difference between someone who is willing to fly an airplane into a skyscraper, and someone who is willing to cut off someone's head up close and personal. THe former is impersonal. It kills, but there is a mindlessness to the psychological aspect. Beheading is a special type of savagery.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Why do you say that? Other than a few beheadings, have they attacked us at home?

    You don't seriously believe that they are massing troops at the US-Mexico border do you?
    Not our home, as in our location. Into our cultural mind.
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    Re: Do you FAVOR or OPPOSE the actions taken in ISIS by the US?

    I'm not American (but German), politically independent but leaning to the left on many questions, and this is my opinion (in case it matters for your research):

    More important than what is done, is *how* it is done. I am glad the US (and several other NATO countries such as Germany) are reacting to some extent, but it matters that there is a broad coalition against ISIS that does not just encompass Western states. Insofar, I am satisfied that Obama has found agreement with several Arab states as well on this matter (as problematical as this is, for various reasons). Turkey must surely be on board as well.

    Not sure if ground troops are really worth the effort (I'm all for it, if experts tell me we can seriously expect them to solve the problem, which I doubt), since I'm afraid even with ground troops, we (the West) won't solve the problem, but push it under the rug for a short while at best. And the costs, both financial and blood, are just way too high for this minimal, temporary effect.

    So I guess for the time being, unless an effort can be made by all important powers in the region including those we still consider enemies today, to find a new, lasting order for the entire ME, there should be no ground troops. Bombing is fine, even when that means ISIS will not be destroyed, but just kept from slaughtering even more Kurdish and Syrian civilians than they already do.
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