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Fox News Poll: Voters reveal which state they want kicked out of the union

If the vast majority of the population wanted liberty I could see myself supporting a revolution, but at this point in time they very much want the opposite. It just seems like every generation wants to control their fellow americans more and desire nothing more than to get more and more from government. I don't see the end of that trend any time soon.

Agreed - Americans have been indoctrinated... the only thing that can bring liberty back would be collapse, followed by the predictable period of authoritarian rule, and then only after some future generation has had enough, and they are able and willing to fight, will liberty be restored. It could be many, many decades before that happens... hundreds of years perhaps.

It only took about 80 years to chop us down - 1 or 2 generations to plant the seeds. I agree with Yuri Bezmenov and the warnings he gave, and Antonio Gramsci and his prescription for overthrowing target societies, i.e. infiltrate the institutions, poison the well, and let the people enslave themselves through their own ignorance. Americans have bought into the lies hook, line, and sinker.

America has become Oceania.
 
i would rather put my faith in a system where i get to vote for the politician i want to be my states senator then a system where politicians get to select the person the state is sending to washington.

then you are also fine with the Senate being corrupted as a chamber.... noted.
 
I'll take that as an "I'll spend the money on myself instead of on a revolution." :lol:

Well, your avatar could be a poster for America's attitude toward liberty - "... meh, too much trouble - who cares"??

Aint "democracy" grand?? ;)
 
i would rather put my faith in a system where i get to vote for the politician i want to be my states senator then a system where politicians get to select the person the state is sending to washington.

Then you want democracy - but since every democracy in history has died the way we are dying today... maybe not such a good idea, huh??
 
Then you want democracy - but since every democracy in history has died the way we are dying today... maybe not such a good idea, huh??

we have already crossed the rubicon, the decision was made by the people of the time based on what they believed was important to them at the time.
 
i would rather put my faith in a system where i get to vote for the politician i want to be my states senator then a system where politicians get to select the person the state is sending to washington.

i dont care to have the senate be a collective body.

i refer a check on collective power, and the federal government
 
we have already crossed the rubicon, the decision was made by the people of the time based on what they believed was important to them at the time.

"when the people become uneducated and dont know what kind of government they have, it will turn into a democracy followed by a dicatorship"
 
i dont care to have the senate be a collective body.

i refer a check on collective power, and the federal government

i refuse to surrender my ability to decide who goes to washington as the states senator and leave the electoral fate of the country in the hands of state legislators who do not represent me.
 
he said " more people"... not " a higher rate "

California, in terms of total people on welfare/food stamps.. leads the nation by far..... (not more than all other states combined, though.)

about 47 million folks are on food stamps... 10% of that number comes entirely from California.

Fair enough. But one must also take into account its the most popular state. And the claim of "California uses more food stamps than the rest of the states combined" is a blatant lie.
 
i refuse to surrender my ability to decide who goes to washington as the states senator and leave the electoral fate of the country in the hands of state legislators who do not represent me.

you already send representation to Washington.... to the House.

why do you think you need to send Senators to Washington when you are already represented?

are your whims and beliefs shared , in totality, by your State?
 
Fair enough. But one must also take into account its the most popular state. And the claim of "California uses more food stamps than the rest of the states combined" is a blatant lie.

so is " they are not even in the top 10"...<shrug>

lies, damned lies, and statistics..etc..etc..etc

it's the most populous state ( objective), not the most popular ( subjective)
 
I didn't ask you to explain why you support corruption....

is it a coincidence that some states right now have legislatures that are dominated by one political party, but in national elections the people of these state elect senators that belong to the opposite party?

Ohio and north Carolina for example have state legislatures that are dominated by republicans, yet are currently represented by both a democrat and republican senator each.

does the fact that senator Sherrord Brown and Kay Hagen are representing their states as democrats in spite of the fact that their states have legislatures dominated by republicans offend some people?
 
is it a coincidence that some states right now have legislatures that are dominated by one political party, but in national elections the people of these state elect senators that belong to the opposite party?

Ohio and north Carolina for example have state legislatures that are dominated by republicans, yet are currently represented by both a democrat and republican senator each.

does the fact that senator Sherrord Brown and Kay Hagen are representing their states as democrats in spite of the fact that their states have legislatures dominated by republicans offend some people?

it is coincidence?.. **** if i know... is it?


that's nice for Ohio and NC... i guess.

the answer is probably " yes".... people are offended by everything in todays world.
 
is it a coincidence that some states right now have legislatures that are dominated by one political party, but in national elections the people of these state elect senators that belong to the opposite party?

Ohio and north Carolina for example have state legislatures that are dominated by republicans, yet are currently represented by both a democrat and republican senator each.

does the fact that senator Sherrord Brown and Kay Hagen are representing their states as democrats in spite of the fact that their states have legislatures dominated by republicans offend some people?

The constitution desperately needs some kind of anti-gerrymandering amendment.
 
The constitution desperately needs some kind of anti-gerrymandering amendment.

I would agree.... however, that's incredibly improbable.

neither party will give up one if it's greatest powers voluntarily.... and Democratic and Republican voters cannot be trusted to remove that power from the people they send into office ot use it..


in short, learn to live with gerrymandering, it's not going anywhere
 
I would agree.... however, that's incredibly improbable.

neither party will give up one if it's greatest powers voluntarily.... and Democratic and Republican voters cannot be trusted to remove that power from the people they send into office ot use it..


in short, learn to live with gerrymandering, it's not going anywhere

and neither is the seventeenth ammendment
 
we have already crossed the rubicon, the decision was made by the people of the time based on what they believed was important to them at the time.

Not true actually... the people were herded like cattle.

Stock market collapse (a deliberate event); ensuing depression (also deliberate); make the people suffer, then offer them salvation. It's not that complicated, and it is straight out of Alinski/Gramsci 101, before Gramsci ever wrote his Prison Notebooks.

Since democracy is the most effective way to destroy a solidly founded republic like America, the people were then slowly indoctrinated into accepting and believing in democracy - something that is completely antithetical to liberty, yet they think it is synonymous with liberty - now how can that be?? Of course that can only happen by way of indoctrination.

"The people" did not make an informed choice - b/c no rational, informed person would choose to live in a democracy if they truly understood history and governmental systems.
 
Agreed - Americans have been indoctrinated... the only thing that can bring liberty back would be collapse, followed by the predictable period of authoritarian rule, and then only after some future generation has had enough, and they are able and willing to fight, will liberty be restored. It could be many, many decades before that happens... hundreds of years perhaps.

It only took about 80 years to chop us down - 1 or 2 generations to plant the seeds. I agree with Yuri Bezmenov and the warnings he gave, and Antonio Gramsci and his prescription for overthrowing target societies, i.e. infiltrate the institutions, poison the well, and let the people enslave themselves through their own ignorance. Americans have bought into the lies hook, line, and sinker.

America has become Oceania.

It's an absolutely genius way to obtain power over people. Because as long the people feel as if you are noble in your causes they will not fight, but if they feel as if you are corrupt than your rule and your life is in danger every moment of the day. As long as you pick a path that is slow and can be sold as righteous the vast majority of the people will approve of your actions. The evolution of oppression over the centuries is actually pretty impressive really.
 
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