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FCC + 'Redskins'

Should the FCC ban usage of the word 'Redskins' in broadcasts?

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Conservative65 said:
That's the very reason I left the teaching profession. The public educational system had evolved into one where the system was more interested in not hurting someone's feeling by telling them they didn't work up to par than in educating them. Very little emphasis was placed on the basics for which people needed regardless of the profession they chose. More was put on making sure they "felt good" and were happy. I don't know about you, but if I couldn't read, write, or do basic math on more than a 5 - 6th grade level, I wouldn't feel good about myself.
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So the moral here is for native americans to buck themselves up and go back in time and defeat the white invaders, so that they don't end up being mocked and degraded in pro team names and logos. Just think, then today *they* would be running pro sports teams with names like "Sioux Honkys"

Or we could just stop being douchebags to each other and pick another damn name
 
chromium said:
it would be a BFD if they made the super bowl.
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It would be hysterical if they made the Super Bowl, I'd love to see how fast the FCC backed down under pressure from the NFL.
 
Simpleχity;1063825346 said:
There you have it. The FCC is considering banning the word 'Redskins' from the broadcast mediums it regulates.

What say you?
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I'm not a fan of the FCC deciding what's derogatory or offensive.
 
Simpleχity;1063825346 said:
There you have it. The FCC is considering banning the word 'Redskins' from the broadcast mediums it regulates.

What say you?
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That is the name of the team. How can a sports reporter be disallowed on air from accurately describing the team by their name? It's just stupid.
 
Isn't this a proposed regulation of speech by an agency of the government? I would say more people are offended by the words politicians spew than announcers broadcasting a football game or the individuals on its home radio station...
 
radcen said:
Is there a list of these 77 groups available somewhere?

In other words: Can you cite a source?
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Don't know why i bother since 90% here don't give a damn what the minority wish but...

The first article says "77 native tribes, organizations, and supporters," which i read as 77 tribes plus supporters. Then another article says "the national congress of american indians...signed by 77 groups including the NAACP and anti defamation league."

i don't see an actual list but here's the articles:

Anti-Washington Redskins groups to send letter to every NFL player - ESPN

NFL players asked to support Redskins name change - The Washington Post

However, the NCAI decisions are dictated by votes from every tribe so...
 
chromium said:
However, the NCAI decisions are dictated by votes from every tribe so...
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Close. The NCAI's decisions are dictated by the votes of those individuals representatives of the various tribes (which by their own count is roughly 1/3rd of all government recognized tribes) that make up the the NCAI.
 
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Simpleχity;1063825346 said:
There you have it. The FCC is considering banning the word 'Redskins' from the broadcast mediums it regulates.

What say you?
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In total, the FCC desperately needs to be scaled back.
 
No matter which side you are on in this matter, this is funny. This guy is hilarious... Here is an e-mail sent to Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune after an article he published concerning a name change for the Washington Redskins. I have no idea who the author is, it ended up in my mail box.

Dear Mr. Page...

I always love your articles and I generally agree with them. I would suggest, as in an email I received, they change the name to the "Foreskins" to better represent their community, paying tribute to the dick heads in Congress.

I agree with our Native American population. I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional football team after Native Americans would exalt them as fine warriors, but nay, nay. We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

Let's ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant Blacks from the 60's alive. Gone. It's offensive to us white folk.

The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war that cost this country so many young men's lives.

I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged. We are talking about the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity, a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children.

The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong message to our children.

The Milwaukee Brewers. Well that goes without saying. Wrong message to our children.

So, there you go. We need to support any legislation that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the government will likely become involved with this issue, as they should. Just the kind of thing the do-nothing Congress loves.

As a diehard Oregon State fan, my wife and I, with all of this in mind, suggest it might also make some sense to change the name of the Oregon State women's athletic teams to something other than "the Beavers."
 
Zyphlin said:
Close. The NCAI's decisions are dictated by the votes of those individuals representatives of the various tribes (which by their own count is roughly 1/3rd of all government recognized tribes) that make up the the NCAI.
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Sort of like our legislature then, but who do you think elects those representatives?

I don't know why the other 2/3, if this is correct, aren't part of the NCAI, but surely many of those tribes also oppose the nfl team's name and logo, if they're aware of it.
 
Born Free said:
No matter which side you are on in this matter, this is funny. This guy is hilarious... Here is an e-mail sent to Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune after an article he published concerning a name change for the Washington Redskins. I have no idea who the author is, it ended up in my mail box.

Dear Mr. Page...

I always love your articles and I generally agree with them. I would suggest, as in an email I received, they change the name to the "Foreskins" to better represent their community, paying tribute to the dick heads in Congress.

I agree with our Native American population. I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional football team after Native Americans would exalt them as fine warriors, but nay, nay. We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

Let's ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant Blacks from the 60's alive. Gone. It's offensive to us white folk.

The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war that cost this country so many young men's lives.

I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged. We are talking about the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity, a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children.

The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong message to our children.

The Milwaukee Brewers. Well that goes without saying. Wrong message to our children.

So, there you go. We need to support any legislation that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the government will likely become involved with this issue, as they should. Just the kind of thing the do-nothing Congress loves.

As a diehard Oregon State fan, my wife and I, with all of this in mind, suggest it might also make some sense to change the name of the Oregon State women's athletic teams to something other than "the Beavers."
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Pretty pitiful attempt at satire. Yankees - wrong, there is the "ole miss rebels." Exalting the natives? Then do it like the "florida state seminoles," with a native riding a horse with a flaming spear he throws into the field prior to kickoff. They also have the support of the Seminole tribe. The "cleveland indians" is indeed racist, when you just look at the damn logo for 2 seconds.

None of the other collectives that are supposedly glorified or offended by various team names has ever come close to enduring the oppression that natives in this country have. This pedantic whining veiled as mockery falls on deaf ears
 
Simpleχity;1063825346 said:
What say you?
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I say the team should give the FCC a big middle finger and keep the name. And then we can all laugh at the verbal gymnastics the football commentators will have to go through to avoid saying the name of the team.
 
chromium said:
Sort of like our legislature then, but who do you think elects those representatives?
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I believe typically either the tribe does or the tribal leadership does.

But yes, like our legislature. Which is why it's reasonable to point out the NCAI condemns the name but it's unwise to suggest that it actually offends [X] amount of native americans who are part of the NCAI.

Just as it'd be ridiculous to suggest that a resolution passed by Congress is literally representative of the thoughts of 100% of all the people they represent, so too is it ridiculous to suggest that the NCAII's stance is literally what 100% of the native americans under its banner believe.

Additionally, I find a noted irony in those who use the NCAI's stance as a significant facet of their foundational argument for saying the name is offensive but who don't also vocalize displeasure and anger for things like the Chiefs or Braves as the NCAII has taken an official stance that the use of "derogatory" native american icongraphy and themes in sports franchises in general is an offensive thing. And for them, a "derogatory" reference is pretty much where it's not referencing a specific native american nation with that tribes permission (for example the Seminoles)

I don't know why the other 2/3, if this is correct, aren't part of the NCAI
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A multitude of reasons. One of the biggest is that to my understand it's hardly an actual full on governing body like you'd think of as a "congress" but is closer to an advocacy group ala the NAACP or GLAAD. Naturally, some simply don't want to be part of such groups.

Another thing is that despite how many outside of Native American culture view them, many Native Americans don't necessarily view themselves as this conglomorate group. They're Cherokee, or Navajo, or Blackfoot, or Patawomeck. They're independent peoples who may be far more interested in governing themselves or standing on their own identity then necessarily joining into a homogenous group.

As to other tribles coming out against the name that are not part of the NCAI? I'm sure there are some. But I know that the vast majority of the individual tribes that I've seen listed over the years that have came out against the name are tribes that you'll find on the NCAI's membership rolls. Most publications will rarely actually TELL you this though, instead choosing to double dip on references to make it seem larger than it is.
 
CLAX1911 said:
They need to get a life
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If there was an NFL team called the South Carolina Niggers, would you say the same about people wanting it to change?
 
Deuce said:
If there was an NFL team called the South Carolina Niggers, would you say the same about people wanting it to change?
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Apples and Oranges. There are Native American high schools that use the team name redskins as their team name.How many majority black high schools would be ok with niggers as their team name?
 
Simpleχity;1063825346 said:
There you have it. The FCC is considering banning the word 'Redskins' from the broadcast mediums it regulates.

What say you?
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That is the most stupid ****ing thing that I have heard and it won't work. Can you imagine them banning the word "nigger"? Samuel L Jackson would be out of acting forever.

All those movies would be banned... the Best Picture "12 Years a Slave" has that word all through it. That is just that one word too... Banning words is idiotic. The FCC better do the right thing.
 
Deuce said:
If there was an NFL team called the South Carolina Niggers, would you say the same about people wanting it to change?
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There is no comparable word to nigger. None. That said, banning nigger for the reason that it is a team name might sound like a good idea but see my above post as to why it is not a good idea...
 
chromium said:
So the moral here is for native americans to buck themselves up and go back in time and defeat the white invaders, so that they don't end up being mocked and degraded in pro team names and logos. Just think, then today *they* would be running pro sports teams with names like "Sioux Honkys"

Or we could just stop being douchebags to each other and pick another damn name
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How are they being mocked and degraded? I view it as a form of flattery... they are immortalized and brought to the attention of people that would forget them.
 
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