View Poll Results: Should the FCC ban usage of the word 'Redskins' in broadcasts?

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Thread: FCC + 'Redskins'

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sitting Bull "came in" a couple of years later, and eventually starred in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. As American as apple pie.
    I meant at the time of the Little Big Horn, but touche all the same.

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I meant at the time of the Little Big Horn, but touche all the same.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Often doesn't mean always

    Common usage of today doesn't necessarily indicate common usage of 80 years ago

    Dictionaries don't define proper nouns. No dictionary in the world defines the Redskins, as a team name, as derogatory

    Even if one wants to throw out the social differences (which is ridiculous to do, but let's play along), Claims that nigger and redskin are inherently equal and exactly alike is still ridiculous given the etymological history of how each term came to be

    If one suggests the acceptance of a potential insulting word has no baring on whether or not it's an insult, then said person should be calling for similar FCC censoring of the ethnic slurs Yankee and Canuck
    Another problem I have is that people believe that if you are racist to one group (blacks) you automatically must be racist to all groups (including native americans). I know a lot of old people (some related to me) that think of blacks as "lazy" "deadbeats" "welfare recepients" all that stuff. However, they will also be the first to say that they got a raw deal, and we should be giving land BACK to the Native Americans. There were a lot of Westerns coming out in the first half of the 20th century, and none that I recall (sure there were some, but none I've caught my grandmother watching) showed them in a negative light. In fact, many times they are revered, even better than the white man.

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yeah. It is. The definition of the term: noun, Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive. Redskin | Define Redskin at Dictionary.com
    you have confused the word "often" with "always", common mistake

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Often doesn't mean always
    Beat me to it

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The name "Redskin" needs no excuse. What needs an excuse is the hypocrisy of its critics.
    Not so. The definition of the word speaks for itself.

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'll give you this, clearly some people take it as an insult (though if you understood the history of that organization in particular, you'd know it's not meant as such.) I will say this though, we need a new poll on the topic, and not a limited one done where one side cherry picks. If a majority of Native Americans said they had a problem with it (which there is substantial evidence to say this is not the case, including that poll done back however many years ago) then I would not only be open to changing the name, but I would go so far as to say let them pick the new one. Until that day where we fair poll, then all the noise to me is being done by a very vocal minority.
    It doesn't matter what they meant. Words having actual meaning. We can't make words mean what we want them to mean just because that is what we want. They already have meaning. No poll changes that. It's not a popularity thing. It's a definition thing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And if you look up Native American tribal names you sometimes find that they are insults themselves... Apache means enemy, in another language and Navajo meant large field or valley. So what?
    None of which matters at all. The so what is the word is an insult.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    you have confused the word "often" with "always", common mistake
    No confusion. The definition clearly states the meaning of the word is often an insult. That means being taken as one is perfectly correct.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: FCC + 'Redskins'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No confusion. The definition clearly states the meaning of the word is often an insult. That means being taken as one is perfectly correct.
    And how many times in your life have you heard the word redskin said in a derogatory manner vs how many times have you heard it in reference to the Washington Redskins?

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