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Do firearms empower people?

Do firearms empower people?

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US Conservative said:
What you find interesting here should be common sense-guns are inanimate tools, marxism is an ideology that brings out the worst in people.

Are you going to compare radical islam to airbags next?
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Yes/no questions coming up:

Do guns kill people?
Does marxism kill people?

I'm no marxist, I just want to flip the tables on a ridiculous argument tactic abused by the pro-gun crowd.
 
ChezC3 said:
No. They are an inanimate object used to perform a function. Whether that function is self defense, hunting, or battling an oppressive government, they are but a tool.

You need empowerment? Get a Life Coach.
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Empowerment refers to increasing the economic, political, social, educational, gender, or spiritual strength of an entity or entities.
Guns themselves are indeed tools. But if they (like other tools) leave you better off economically, politically, etc they are tools of empowerment.
 
Nilly said:
Yes/no questions coming up:

Do guns kill people?
Does marxism kill people?

I'm no marxist, I just want to flip the tables on a ridiculous argument tactic abused by the pro-gun crowd.
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As guns are inanimate no they dont kill people.
Marxism, as judged by its implementation across the globe over the last century shows that indeed it does kill people-with guns or without.
 
Unrepresented said:
Guns kill more people every year in America than marxists.
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marxists have killed over 100 million innocents. we should use guns to kill more marxists if we want less genocide apparently:mrgreen:
 
US Conservative said:
As guns are inanimate no they dont kill people.
Marxism, as judged by its implementation across the globe over the last century shows that indeed it does kill people-with guns or without.
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Deadly weapons don't kill because they require an operator yet ideologies kill because ________.
TurtleDude said:
marxists have killed over 100 million innocents. we should use guns to kill more marxists if we want less genocide apparently:mrgreen:
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Citation desperately needed.
 
US Conservative said:
Exercising one's rights. A means to prevent tyranny. Self defense. The means to hunt.




Yes, of course they do. They give a feeling of safety and security. Would someone without a firearm go outside to their dead end road to confront a vehicle that had no business being there? Would you answer a knock on the door in the middle of the night without gun in hand? Would you drive into a bad neighborhood unarmed?

Do firearms empower people? Note that this is not pertaining specifically to the US or the 2nd amendment, but rather a general question.
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Unrepresented said:
Deadly weapons don't kill because they require an operator yet ideologies kill because ________.

Citation desperately needed.
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Mao, Stalin Pol Pot for starters
 
Juanita said:
Would someone without a firearm go outside to their dead end road to confront a vehicle that had no business being there?
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Yes.

Would you answer a knock on the door in the middle of the night without gun in hand?
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Yes.

Would you drive into a bad neighborhood unarmed?
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Yes.


That is not to say I wouldn't be armed though.
 
Henrin said:
Yes.



Yes.



Yes.

That is not to say I wouldn't be armed though.
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the chances of doing it twice are much better if you are armed
 
Juanita said:
US Conservative said:
Exercising one's rights. A means to prevent tyranny. Self defense. The means to hunt.




Yes, of course they do. They give a feeling of safety and security. Would someone without a firearm go outside to their dead end road to confront a vehicle that had no business being there? Would you answer a knock on the door in the middle of the night without gun in hand? Would you drive into a bad neighborhood unarmed?

Do firearms empower people? Note that this is not pertaining specifically to the US or the 2nd amendment, but rather a general question.
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But Im not asking about subject"feelings" here. Im asking about demonstrable differences in outcome.
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TurtleDude said:
that should be more than enough for educated people
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If the discussion consisted simply of naming reviled dictators, you'd be doing quite well. That wasn't your (dubious) claim.
 
Unrepresented said:
If the discussion consisted simply of naming reviled dictators, you'd be doing quite well. That wasn't your (dubious) claim.
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How many did Stalinist Russia kill

Maoist China?

Pol Pot and the killing fields?
 
US Conservative said:
Thats because we aren't the USSR, N. Korea, etc.
But beyond that, you are comparing the results of an ideology with the results of crime, mental illness etc.

Please make better comparisons.
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The second amendment has killed more Americans than marxism ever will.
 
TurtleDude said:
How many did Stalinist Russia kill

Maoist China?

Pol Pot and the killing fields?
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Your issue is with authoritarian leaders, not marxism. Still waiting for you to back up your 100 million claim.
 
Unrepresented said:
Your issue is with authoritarian leaders, not marxism. Still waiting for you to back up your 100 million claim.
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saying marxism isn't responsible for the millions upon millions killed by marxist dictators like Pol Pot and Mao or Stalin is like claiming that the Roman Catholic Church was not responsible for the counter-reformation and the Spanish Inquisition because "real Christians" wouldn't burn people alive or break them on racks to get them to confess sins.
 
TurtleDude said:
saying marxism isn't responsible for the millions upon millions killed by marxist dictators like Pol Pot and Mao or Stalin is like claiming that the Roman Catholic Church was not responsible for the counter-reformation and the Spanish Inquisition because "real Christians" wouldn't burn people alive or break them on racks to get them to confess sins.
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Please tell me the methodology used to establish 100 million people.
 
Unrepresented said:
Please tell me the methodology used to establish 100 million people.
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are you denying that marxist leaders have slain millions and millions and many others died from starvation or symptoms of a failed government?
 
iangb said:
As mentioned in the very post you quoted, one person's definition of 'tyranny' differs from another. Thank you for making my point.
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Tyranny - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Full Definition of TYRANNY

1 : oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>

2 a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
& b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant

3 : a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock — Dixon Wecter>

4 : an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>

"Tyranny" by any definition is evil!
 
TurtleDude said:
are you denying that marxist leaders have slain millions and millions and many others died from starvation or symptoms of a failed government?
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Economic ideologies don't kill people, genocidal dictators do. People weren't dying of redistribution of wealth they were dying because of dictators.
 
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