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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    No, not really. The size of the bullet doesn't really matter if it hits the person in the right spot. A .22 will kill a man just as dead as a 7.62 or an HE round from a M198 howitzer.
    You're right than even a .22 can kill even a giant polar bear, if hit just right. And having a .22 rifle or pistol is going to "empower" a person far than someone with a bow and arrow (Rambo excluded.

    But---one doesn't need to be a very bright person to know what is adequate to bring down or stop a human being. A "raging beast" on certain narcotics can be hit dozens of times and still not die. A strong person on an adrenaline high can be shot through the heart and still fight on for 10 seconds.

    I can simply rely on the thinking of every single modern police force and military on the earth. None use .22 long rifles or similar weak rounds as their standard issue carry weapons.

    Sorry, but size does matter.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats a bit of an oversimplification. Yes, hitting vital tissue is what determines lethality, but the more vital tissue hit with the greatest capacity to expend that energy in vital tissue-the greaters the lethality.
    Head shot FTW!

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    You're right than even a .22 can kill even a giant polar bear, if hit just right. And having a .22 rifle or pistol is going to "empower" a person far than someone with a bow and arrow (Rambo excluded.

    But---one doesn't need to be a very bright person to know what is adequate to bring down or stop a human being. A "raging beast" on certain narcotics can be hit dozens of times and still not die. A strong person on an adrenaline high can be shot through the heart and still fight on for 10 seconds.

    I can simply rely on the thinking of every single modern police force and military on the earth. None use .22 long rifles or similar weak rounds as their standard issue carry weapons.

    Sorry, but size does matter.
    Of course the police do not use .22, nevertheless, a head shot will bring a man down. Tis all I'm saying.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, not really. They are a means to give one's self the illusion of the ability to resist it. Small, sharp rocks provide the same ability to actually resist it.
    So, lets say I get held up at knife point. I pull out a gun. This just gives me the illusion I can resist?? That knife would be your small sharp rock. I think I'll take my chances with the gun without any illusion at all.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by mperry View Post
    So, lets say I get held up at knife point. I pull out a gun. This just gives me the illusion I can resist?? That knife would be your small sharp rock. I think I'll take my chances with the gun without any illusion at all.
    I think you missed the context of the quoted post. The keyword in the exchange was "tyranny".

    But thank you for illustrating the point I was making about resisting tyranny. In your "knife-point mugging" scenario, the people are the knife-wielders and the tyrannical government is the one armed with a gun. The knife wielder has no realistic chance in such a scenario, just as the people have no realistic chance of defeating a tyrannical US government. We can come up with all of the absurd hypotheticals we want, but 99,999,999 times out of 100,000,000 the knife-wielder gets ****ed in your scenario, just like how the people would get ****ed if the US government ever truly became a tyrannical one (i.e. when the word "tyranny" is used as something other than hyperbolic drivel).
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How does creating a "rebuttal" about something entirely different from what I've actually been saying count as "owning" me?
    It was not "about something entirely different from what I've actually been saying" as you allude to here_

    I merely adjusted it to help make my point Tuck; which is something we all do occasionally, including you_

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To give an example, the whole Bundy ranch thing. If we actually had a tyrannical government, all of the people involved in the "resistance" would have been smoking husks at the bottom of a crater.
    Which would have further flamed the growing mistrust of government in much the same way as the 1993 Waco Massacre_

    We don't actually have a tyrannical government, though, so they were able to give the illusion of resisting a [B]mythical tyranny with their guns.
    I agree that we do not yet have a full blown tyranny; but for how long_

    Government has and still does institute laws and loopholes to help protect itself from accountability_

    It barricades the electoral system to deter political opposition and protect its entrenched power structure_

    It uses powerful government agencies to harass and punish dissent and instill fear into the mainstream_

    The ever-growing government's increasing regulations and assaults on our liberties suggests we're heading towards tyrrany_

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You can't be sufficiently armed to resist a tyrannical government in this country because our government, should it ever decide to become tyrannical, is always going to be armed significantly better than the resistance.

    But if the government made the shift to tyranny without splitting up, any armed resistance by the people would be futile due to the disproportion of armament.*
    Like most people cursed with a liberal thought pattern you deny and/or ignore pertinent information to form a conclusion_

    First; you ignored the fact of how many armed citizens there actually are in the United States__Literally millions_

    Second; the great majority are right-leaning; which adds up potentially to the largest armed fighting force on earth_

    Third; 50% to 70% of the Military would eventually join the resistance once realized they're killing family, friends and neighbors_

    Being a liberal-minded thinker you're unable get your mind outside the box long enough to see the big picture_

    Only a true civil war, where the government splits fairly evenly and both sides take along the weaponry the government possesses, would allow a chance for victory from the "resistance" side.

    In that case, it wouldn't be resistance to tyranny, because the side that is considered tyrannical would not have enough authority (due to the split) in order to actually be tyrannical. It would only become a tyrannical government if it actually wins the civil war.
    *(original placement)
    Wow; just; wow__this conglomeration of your rationale is some of the most ridiculous mumbo-jumbo I've ever read_

    You appear to be hopelessly disconnected from all reality and incapable of any reasoning whatsoever, Tuck!
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    It was not "about something entirely different from what I've actually been saying" as you allude to here_

    I merely adjusted it to help make my point Tuck; which is something we all do occasionally, including you_

    Which would have further flamed the growing mistrust of government in much the same way as the 1993 Waco Massacre_

    I agree that we do not yet have a full blown tyranny; but for how long_

    Government has and still does institute laws and loopholes to help protect itself from accountability_

    It barricades the electoral system to deter political opposition and protect its entrenched power structure_

    It uses powerful government agencies to harass and punish dissent and instill fear into the mainstream_

    The ever-growing government's increasing regulations and assaults on our liberties suggests we're heading towards tyrrany_

    Like most people cursed with a liberal thought pattern you deny and/or ignore pertinent information to form a conclusion_

    First; you ignored the fact of how many armed citizens there actually are in the United States__Literally millions_

    Second; the great majority are right-leaning; which adds up potentially to the largest armed fighting force on earth_

    Third; 50% to 70% of the Military would eventually join the resistance once realized they're killing family, friends and neighbors_

    Being a liberal-minded thinker you're unable get your mind outside the box long enough to see the big picture_

    Wow; just; wow__this conglomeration of your rationale is some of the most ridiculous mumbo-jumbo I've ever read_

    You appear to be hopelessly disconnected from all reality and incapable of any reasoning whatsoever, Tuck!
    He's all tuckered out.

    If there ever was an overthrow of the govt or a civil war I think he knows where he'd be and how it would turn out.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Which would have further flamed the growing mistrust of government in much the same way as the 1993 Waco Massacre_
    Tyrannical governments do not give a flying **** about mistrust of the government. They are tyrannical.

    I agree that we do not yet have a full blown tyranny; but for how long_
    I agree that we do not yet have a full blown unicorn apocalypse, but for how long?
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Most of the people who die "from guns" in the US do so because they have committed suicide.

    Excluding cops or citizens killing perps in justified shoots, most other "gun deaths" in the US are thug-on-thug, and who really cares if a drug dealer shoots another drug dealer, as long as he doesn't miss.


    Accidents are statistically rare. Law-abiding CCW types shooting someone in a fit of anger are rare, despite the media hyping those rare incidents.
    80% or more of those murdered by gun cannot legally own one. Same with those who commit murders.



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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If there ever was an overthrow of the govt or a civil war I think he knows where he'd be and how it would turn out.
    If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle.

    There will be no overthrow of the government or civil war in out lifetimes or our children's lifetimes, or our grandchildren's lifetimes because there is no need for it.
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