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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I think some define the word by the modern foo foo dr phil/oprah measure. Im using the term as defined.
    Then guns have an effect, but of a very indirect kind.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Must be about the most blatantly trolling thread title since, I don't know what.
    Of course guns make people more powerful. They're very simple machines with only one purpose- and no, guns shouldn't be used to drive nails.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Then guns have an effect, but of a very indirect kind.
    If only the poll q had been "Do guns have a very indirect kind of empowerment?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Must be about the most blatantly trolling thread title since, I don't know what.
    Of course guns make people more powerful. They're very simple machines with only one purpose- and no, guns shouldn't be used to drive nails.
    Ah, Mr. Maclean, do you really believe that a pistol makes people more powerful? or are they just dreaming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Ah, Mr. Maclean, do you really believe that a pistol makes people more powerful? or are they just dreaming?
    Of course it does. And it's not just pistols. I hunt with a bow in bow season but I bring my rifle when I can because it's a more powerful weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Of course it does. And it's not just pistols. I hunt with a bow in bow season but I bring my rifle when I can because it's a more powerful weapon.
    I don't think that's the same as empowerment...
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To give an example, the whole Bundy ranch thing. If we actually had a tyrannical government, all of the people involved in the "resistance" would have been smoking husks at the bottom of a crater.

    We don't actually have a tyrannical government, though, so they were able to give the illusion of resisting a mythical tyranny with their guns.
    You are right and you are wrong. You are right that if you are insufficiently armed then yes all you have is an illusion to resist tyranny. However if you are sufficiently armed then your potential for resistance is NOT illusion. If the cost to the tyranny is light or nothing then they will pay and not think about paying, its the cost of doing business. If however the potential cost is expensive or more so then they may not be so quick to pay said cost. The principle of mutually assured destruction is based on the principle of cost. As costs to the various parties in a conflict go up the less the likelihood that armed conflict will occur and the more likely a negotiation occurs. So the ability to extract high to potential adversaries costs is a worthwhile ability and negotiating tool.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Anyone who holds a weapon over another who is defenseless holds the power. That much is clear. But that doesn't mean that the person without a weapon is powerless. It just means you have the upper hand until you no longer have it. Such clearly was the case of the German soldier who apparently believe he had the upper hand on the peasant until he didn't and the gun was turned on him.

    I that sense, yes, clearly the man holding the gun is in control. But I don't see that as empowerment. I see that as control. Two separate things.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    All of this boils down to you being unclear on the definition of empowerment.
    You seem to be arguing two separate things here.

    On the one hand, you define empowerment as the ability to take up arms to fight against aggression.

    On the other hand, you're saying that anyone who has a gun has the power or at least should feel empowered to take matters into their own hands.

    One is an act of self defense. The other per your examples is an act of control and/or induced fear.

    Having a gun does "enable" you to defend yourself. And in having such a weapon one "permits" himself to feel confident he can do such, but I don't need a gun to feel that way. Of course, I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Exercising one's rights. A means to prevent tyranny. Self defense. The means to hunt.


    Do firearms empower people? Note that this is not pertaining specifically to the US or the 2nd amendment, but rather a general question.






    Actually ALL arms can empower people. They can also destroy people. It all depends on how one employs their tools and for what. Arms are tools like levers or hammers or knifes, no more no less.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I don't think that's the same as empowerment...
    What? 'more powerful weapon' doesn't mean empowerment? To empower means to give power to, no?
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