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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    This exchange comes from one of my favorite movies:


    Yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way. I think a lot of people would react completely differently if they didn't have a gun. I'm not pigeon-holing all gun owners like this, but I think that, for some people, owning a gun gives them this feeling that they can do anything, and can get away with anything.
    Some people? Probably. Those people, however, approach the problem set differently. It is not owning a gun that empowers, but the ability and willingness to engage in violence in order to enforce ones' will.

    In that vein, others being armed is what is empowering to the regular populace.

    The guy who seems to have kidnapped/raped/possibly murdered Hannah Graham, for example, who is now connected to a slew of disappearances. He didn't need a gun - he's a large powerful man overpowering college girls.

    .....how many of them do you think were armed and capable of defending themselves at the time? That's empowerment.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    To piggyback off a few other posters, guns empower people to do things, both good and bad. Unfortunately, the goodness of the good things are usually much less good than the badness of the bad things.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Guns are tools. Do tools empower people?
    Short answer: yes.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To give an example, the whole Bundy ranch thing. If we actually had a tyrannical government, all of the people involved in the "resistance" would have been smoking husks at the bottom of a crater.

    We don't actually have a tyrannical government, though, so they were able to give the illusion of resisting a mythical tyranny with their guns.
    They had power from their guns, but they had a lot less power than those they were opposing, thus the government didn't consider them a threat.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To give an example, the whole Bundy ranch thing. If we actually had a tyrannical government, all of the people involved in the "resistance" would have been smoking husks at the bottom of a crater.

    We don't actually have a tyrannical government, though, so they were able to give the illusion of resisting a mythical tyranny with their guns.
    Incredibly flawed logic.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So the ones who weren't armed died. Those that were had a fighting chance. Is this a difficult concept for you?
    So every one who was unarmed died, everyone armed lived? Do you have any logic at all to this attempt at a point?
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    This exchange comes from one of my favorite movies:


    Yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way. I think a lot of people would react completely differently if they didn't have a gun. I'm not pigeon-holing all gun owners like this, but I think that, for some people, owning a gun gives them this feeling that they can do anything, and can get away with anything.
    I have my guns for two reasons, hunting and for self defense should the need arrive. Different ones for different purposes. I won't say that simply having one makes me invincible and that although I have it doesn't mean, in the concept of self defense, that the situation may not work out for me. However, I can say that by having one I have a better chance than if I don't. I had a similar discussion, different topic, with my dad. He was with me when I bought lottery tickets about a month ago. He asked me why I was wasting my money because I wouldn't win. I told him that although I may never win, I had a much greater chance than he did because I actually had the possibility of doing so. Also, I told him that I spent $2/week on the ticket and that if spending that $2 was going to break me, I was in far worse shape financially than that $2 would ever solve.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative65 View Post
    I have my guns for two reasons, hunting and for self defense should the need arrive. Different ones for different purposes. I won't say that simply having one makes me invincible and that although I have it doesn't mean, in the concept of self defense, that the situation may not work out for me. However, I can say that by having one I have a better chance than if I don't. I had a similar discussion, different topic, with my dad. He was with me when I bought lottery tickets about a month ago. He asked me why I was wasting my money because I wouldn't win. I told him that although I may never win, I had a much greater chance than he did because I actually had the possibility of doing so. Also, I told him that I spent $2/week on the ticket and that if spending that $2 was going to break me, I was in far worse shape financially than that $2 would ever solve.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In the last century over 100 million died due to marxism. Except for those that rebelled, they were unarmed.

    There was a difference there. Is that difference empowering or not?

    Who's empowered in this photo, and how do you think that happened?
    I find it interesting that 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'.

    But when it comes to Marxism (or other convenient target), oh, that definitely kills people.

    Guns certainly empower people. Unfortunately there are many people who can't handle the responsibility that comes with that power, and many (myself included) who see the 'empowerment' as completely unnecessary.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Empower to what ?

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