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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If I remember correctly his theory was that capitalism would lead to socialism which in time would lead to communism. On that ideal certain socialist systems designed to transition capitalism to socialism were formed.
    Yup. That is exactly what his theory stated.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Guns inflict pain, the ability to inflict pain is power. I've been reading 1984 again:
    Sometimes positive reinforcement gets better results than suffering.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Exercising one's rights. A means to prevent tyranny. Self defe......
    Maybe the word empower is too optimistic. Guns do lend power, however.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    lol tell that to salvadorians and chileans
    other than a lame attempt to defend the pernicious nature of communist regimes, what was the purpose of such silliness



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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Talk about getting your wires crossed. PARITY is not and has not EVER been the norm, it violates human nature. Some do better than others, and the only way to equalize them is for someone to take AWAY from some, making everyone poor.

    And all men being created equal is NOT the same as all men having equal wealth.

    Your flawed logic has killed millions, congrats.
    "Peace has never been the norm, it violates human nature." Do you appreciate how absolutely ridiculous that sounds? It's conservatism for the sake of conservatism rather than a realistic appraisal of human capacity.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Greater economic and social parity is
    the goal. That's not particularly a greater unachievable notion that holding it self-evident that all men are created equal and creating a political system around that.
    The original theory, which has since long been abandoned, is that no one was to have more than anyone else, or put simply, everyone was to have equal shares. Does it make sense? Well, no. Why? For many reasons, but one such reason is that things like land are not only not of equal value but the value of land fluctuates with demand of resources and the removal of resources themselves. Meaning, that a patch of land in the desert will have less value than land with rich soil and mineral in the ground. The man that society determines will have the land with rich soil will have land of greater value than the man that society determines will have the land in the desert. Once socialists like yourself determined such a system was unrealistic they settled with getting as close to social parity as possible by using ideas as forcing the wages to be higher or profit sharing among other ideas created as time went on.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Exercising one's rights. A means to prevent tyranny. Self defense. The means to hunt.

    Note that this is not pertaining specifically to the US or the 2nd amendment, but rather a general question.
    Yes. I had a stalker while in grad school, and I will always remember the first time I held the shotgun I was shown how to use and then borrowed for several weeks. What an equalizer, and it gave me great confidence that if I had to, I could defend myself.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The original theory, which has since long been abandoned, is that no one was to have more than anyone else, or put simply, everyone was to have equal shares. Does it make sense? Well, no. Why? For many reasons, but one such reason is that things like land are not only not of equal value but the value of land fluctuates with demand of resources and the removal of resources themselves. Meaning, that a patch of land in the desert will have less value than land with rich soil and mineral in the ground. The man that society determines will have the land with rich soil will have land of greater value than the man that society determines will have the land in the desert. Once socialists like yourself determined such a system was unrealistic they settled with getting as close to social parity as possible by using ideas as forcing the wages to be higher or profit sharing among other ideas created as time went on.
    So you're faulting them with adjusting their position to a more realistic one?
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    So you're faulting them with adjusting their position to a more realistic one?
    I'm really not faulting them for anything, but simply stating some of the background and history of the ideology. What I will say on the matter is in reality they gave up on their past goals and created new goals that only move wealth around a bit and accomplish nothing.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Maybe the word empower is too optimistic. Guns do lend power, however.
    I think some define the word by the modern foo foo dr phil/oprah measure. Im using the term as defined.

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