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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Bread and circuses win out most of the time over quality long term goals.
    Amongst the failings of Marxism is that is presumes to determine what these long term goals are, when there is no way something as complex as not just the economy but the individuals personal reasons can be aligned in such a way. This is one of the reasons why it ends up authoritarian.

    We get "bunny marxists" (the cute, cuddly kind the American left presents as the standard) in nations like Sweden but they are an artifact-protected from "wolf marxists" by its capitalist benefactors, and unable to even maintain its population.

    It fails on so many levels.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Stalin was more leftist than Hitler, who economically was moderate to right leaning.

    Again. The issue isn't economics, it's dictators.
    Dictators don't magically appear, they often have to work through a system to get where they are, and there are certain systems that have a propensity for them. Guess who.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Lets not dismiss who they thought they were. Marxism leads to hell on earth, just admit it.
    What they thought they were is irrelevant to what they were. And authoritarianism leads to hell on earth, just admit it.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I'd argue socialism in general does.
    Stifles individual creativity and growth? In general, I'd agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yep. Unlike the people who argue along the line that "guns are goooooood", or "guns prevent tyranny".
    Guns do prevent tyranny. Need I remind you of more recent German history? The guns of my grandparents helped to end that. You are welcome.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What they thought they were is irrelevant to what they were. And authoritarianism leads to hell on earth, just admit it.
    Its not irrelevant because at the very least its what steered them into the path they end up on. There is something about marxism that leads people to end up there.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Stifles individual creativity and growth? In general, I'd agree with that.
    A system where all of your needs are presented as being provided by the state, where individual merit and achievement is stifled. It removes just a bit of the spark of life.

    Theres only one creature on earth with all its needs provided for-and thats a captive animal.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its not irrelevant because at the very least its what steered them into the path they end up on. There is something about marxism that leads people to end up there.
    No, it is entirely irrelevant. If I call a cat a dog, it's still a cat. And the issue isn't Marxism. Nothing wrong with the ideology as a concept. The problem is human nature makes it untenable. Humans always create a hierarchy. Marxism is directly in conflict with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    A system where all of your needs are presented as being provided by the state, where individual merit and achievement is stifled. It removes just a bit of the spark of life.

    Theres only one creature on earth with all its needs provided for-and thats a captive animal.
    You've just described why Marxism doesn't work... human nature... and why it doesn't exist and instead always transforms into authoritarianism... the captive animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, it is entirely irrelevant. If I call a cat a dog, it's still a cat. And the issue isn't Marxism. Nothing wrong with the ideology as a concept. The problem is human nature makes it untenable. Humans always create a hierarchy. Marxism is directly in conflict with that.
    Not really. Its like the FACT that there is something about radical islam that leads people to kill innocents in horrible ways.

    Its ok to note the obvious association.

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