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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There are varying numbers, all of which are huge.
    The numbers vary from 2.5 million to 80,000 DGUs per year. That is either orders of magnitude bigger, or smaller, than the number of gun-related crimes per year, depending on numbers you choose to use.

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    Tyranny - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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    : oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>

    2 a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
    & b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant

    3 : a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock Dixon Wecter>

    4 : an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>


    "Tyranny" by any definition is evil!
    Like I said, it depends on your definitions.

    #1 and #4 here does not define 'oppressive'. #2 applies to neither UK or US governments. #3 does not define 'rigorous'. All are subjective terms.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    The numbers vary from 2.5 million to 80,000 DGUs per year. That is either orders of magnitude bigger, or smaller, than the number of gun-related crimes per year, depending on numbers you choose to use.

    Like I said, it depends on your definitions.

    #1 and #4 here does not define 'oppressive'. #2 applies to neither UK or US governments. #3 does not define 'rigorous'. All are subjective terms.
    The specific stat was that guns are at least as likely to be used for lawful defense as for crime. And since prevented crime often isn't reported its probably much higher.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Tyranny - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Full Definition of TYRANNY

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    : oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>

    2 a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state
    & b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant

    3 : a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock Dixon Wecter>

    4 : an oppressive, harsh, or unjust act : a tyrannical act <workers who had suffered tyrannies>


    "Tyranny" by any definition is evil!
    Empirica-you are what Willis was talking bout.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    I'm sure someone has said this by now but "God made all men different, Samuel Colt made all men equal".

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Can't vote. What's my leaning have to do with anything? I am an individual.
    Do firearms empower people? Yes.
    They empower people to think they are stronger, tougher and more bad ass, and with that, they may get themselves into situations they shouldn't be in had they used their brains.
    Do I believe in the right to keep and bear arms? Absolutely. But first and foremost, I believe in personal responsibility. Too many people fall short on that.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No. You dont GET to be intellectually lazy and use that weak excuse. Over 100 million people died show some respect and stop hiding behind your compensatory mechanisms.
    I am certainly allowed to doubt the veracity of a claim that apparently is found to be highly skeptical according to the many other wikipedia readers and editors.
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    EVERYONE MENTIONED IN THOSE LINKS WERE MARXISTS. Own it.
    They were authoritarian dictators. You seem to be unclear on the concept of how a four point political compass works. There are separate axis for authoritarian and economic views.



    The similarity between Stalin and Hitler is that they're both heavily authoritarian and citizens can suffer under authoritarian rule. That's the common denominator, not economic distribution. Socialism doesn't require an authoritarian dictatorship.

    Ghandi is closer to where I'd argue that socialism is supposed to land on the compass than Stalin.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Did the fact that George Zimmerman had a gun empower him to engage Trayvon Martin?
    Or the fact that, as a neighborhood watch, empower him to engage Trayvon Martin. Bad example IMO.
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    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Or the fact that, as a neighborhood watch, empower him to engage Trayvon Martin. Bad example IMO.
    Neighborhood watch people are not supposed engage people they are supposed to alert the authorities, which what Zimmerman did. He should have dropped it right there, but he didn't because he had "heat" to protect him.


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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Guns kill more people every year in America than marxists.

    Worldwide, Marxists have killed something over a 100 million people.... far more than all American privately-owned firearms in all of history.

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