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  • Im not American, yes.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Put a gun to someone's head, then ask them to do something they would not ordinarily and find out.


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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I'd like an explanation of that claim.
    What now!, you can't read?

    Read it.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats nice but how did you answer the poll question?

    Guns are used over 2 million times a year in this nation for lawful defense, and more often than they are used for crime-so frankly its a big issue.
    How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek
    I answered the OP quite well and succinctly.

    Do you have a rational question?
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I voted Right Leaning and Yes. By "people"? I mean a gun empowers ME. In certain situations, it can be "the great equalizer." And, as one of our poster's signatures says, paraphrased, "It's so much easier to carry around than a 225# buff and brave LEO."
    Agreed but I think and refer to either the individual or to a certain demographic. The fact that you can use that weapon when you are physically less able to protect yourself than a man but are now made equal, and that women are over 50% of the population says this quite well..

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The ideology in and of itself is not a problem. It promotes order, equity amongst people with free access to services, preventing poverty. Problem is, this is idealistic to the max and cannot happen because of human nature. The ideology is not the issue; it's incompatibility with how humans operate is.
    The ideology IS itself a problem, if it can never actually exist or be achievable, and yet hundreds of millions die, Im comfortable saying there is something wrong with the ideology.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats nice but how did you answer the poll question?

    Guns are used over 2 million times a year in this nation for lawful defense, and more often than they are used for crime-so frankly its a big issue.
    How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek
    You should probably read the article you just referenced. It doesn't support your claims.
    The truth may be out there, but lies are in your head. ~Terry Pratchett

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    From what I saw he completely acknowledges that it is fatally flawed precisely because it doesn't take true human nature into account. On paper though, it can look plausible and even good (nobody lacking for anything, everyone working for the "common good", etc) if you're into that kind of thing (to me, even if communism could be implemented exactly as envisioned it still sounds incredibly dull and stagnant).
    So being fatally flawed is being fatally flawed. Thats something wrong. Marxists might as will wish for unicorns and chocolate watermelons.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree that those notions appeal to many people (understandably) but, as I said, even if communism could be implemented exactly as intended, it still sounds like some sort of utopian nightmare to me, like you completely lose your individuality and identity and become nothing more than a worker bee completely indistinguishable from all the others.
    It is hell on earth. Its one reason alcoholism is so rampant in former soviet nations, it didn't matter what they did all day, produce more or less-no difference. The wife got to stand in line for food all day. It slowly bleeds the life from people while also they aren't even able to maintain a population.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone ever comes up with a system that is both compatible with human nature and able to control it that is a man I want to meet. No system for governance that I have found avoids the same ends. All the different systems appear to just vary in how long they last and how the authoritarianism is applied in the end. Nothing else about it is really all that different. It seems as if the basic human nature to abuse a position of authority is the nail in every last coffin of every last ideology in existence.
    Its one size fits all, top down, and it is inefficient. Not a recipe for success.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Much the same as turtledudes claim that the application of communism by people leads to the mechanism by which genocide can occur, I believe that it is the application of the second amendment by people that creates the mechanism by which more gun homicide takes place. Much like in the 2A, there is also nothing in communism which says it is ok to kill people (you don't have to think communism is a good thing to realize this). There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on if you claim that communism causes genocide but the 2A doesn't cause more gun deaths.

    If you disagree with me, that is fine. It is far from clear cut, I don't think the 2A is directly responsible for any deaths, and this isn't me being a 'dim gun hater':
    More guns are available now than ever, crime is down. When gun bans kick in they dont lower crime. When they expire, gun crime does not go up. Most of these gun deaths are drugs of suicide, and we know in nations where guns were banned suicide rates didn't drop, they just used different means. That leaves us with drugs and gang violence-the problem there is these people dont listen to the law by definition-and therefore any ban will only effect those that wish to protect themselves and their families. But thats all besides the point that its a natural right.

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