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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree that those notions appeal to many people (understandably) but, as I said, even if communism could be implemented exactly as intended, it still sounds like some sort of utopian nightmare to me, like you completely lose your individuality and identity and become nothing more than a worker bee completely indistinguishable from all the others.
    You just described, perfectly, why human nature would never allow communism to succeed. Congrats, X... you're human.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone ever comes up with a system that is both compatible with human nature and able to control it that is a man I want to meet. No system for governance that I have found avoids the same ends. All the different systems appear to just vary in how long they last and how the authoritarianism is applied in the end. Nothing else about it is really all that different. It seems as if the basic human nature to abuse a position of authority is the nail in every last coffin of every last ideology in existence.
    Accurate, though democracy, because of the balance of power and the hills and valleys created by it, has the best chance. Problem is, whenever you have the need for those in power, you have the roots of oligarchical/plutarchical societies to grow... which eventually move towards authoritarianism. Problem with democracy is that it happens so slowly that no on will notice until it's already upon us.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Eh, I have a soft spot for Trotsky. George Bernard Shaw said this of his writing ability: "When Trotsky cuts off his opponent's head, he holds it up to show that there are no brains in it."
    Poor Trotsky had a soft spot

    in his head!



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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You just described, perfectly, why human nature would never allow communism to succeed. Congrats, X... you're human.
    True (and good to hear because before the consensus was that I am, at best, "human like") not only are we fundamentally, at least, somewhat greedy, we're all generally uncomfortable with the concept that we're actually not the center of the universe.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    True (and good to hear because before the consensus was that I am, at best, "human like") not only are we fundamentally, at least, somewhat greedy, we're all generally uncomfortable with the concept that we're actually not the center of the universe.
    That's true. You all aren't. I am.

    We all have the need to stand out and feel "special". Can't do that with communism which stifles progression. This is one reason why I always laugh at those who compare progressivism to communism. Communism is the antithesis to progression.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    At least 100 million, all over the world and all over the last 100 years. The left did this.
    The Black Book of Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Mass killings under Communist regimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    A) The wikipedia entry on that book is almost as heavily dedicated towards criticism of the book's methodology as it is describing the author's work. Not a good sign the work is particularly well respected.

    B) You're still not demonstrating that Marxism killed anyone, you're still merely demonstrating that malevolent dictators are bad for the safety of their citizens --a point which we're already in agreement.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Guns are a machine for killing. They make killing easier and less personal. Like any good machine, it empowers the operator.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Guns are a machine for killing. They make killing easier and less personal. Like any good machine, it empowers the operator.
    actually you are wrong. Firearms are designed to project a bullet. some are designed to win olympic medals, some are designed for self defense or offense. but its like a compound bow. Some guys use brand x compound bow to shoot 3D tournaments. SOme use it to hunt deer.



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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The red terror was only the beginning for the marxists, tragically.
    Yes as we all know marxists have killed everyone who has ever died

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    marxists have killed over 100 million innocents. we should use guns to kill more marxists if we want less genocide apparently
    that number is faulty in 2 ways. the first is deaths in socialist countries could happen for the same reasons in capitalist ones but still be blamed on marxism and the other is the black book of communism is rife with faulty math

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I agree that those notions appeal to many people (understandably) but, as I said, even if communism could be implemented exactly as intended, it still sounds like some sort of utopian nightmare to me, like you completely lose your individuality and identity and become nothing more than a worker bee completely indistinguishable from all the others.
    why does freedom from need cause you to lose individuality and identity? that doesnt make any sense

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