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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where did Lenin's henchman with the ice ax go?
    I think you mean Stalin's henchman with the ice axe who went to Mexico and killed Trotsky.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You dont think an ideology that fundamentally opposes human nature and leads to authoritarianism has something wrong with it?
    From what I saw he completely acknowledges that it is fatally flawed precisely because it doesn't take true human nature into account. On paper though, it can look plausible and even good (nobody lacking for anything, everyone working for the "common good", etc) if you're into that kind of thing (to me, even if communism could be implemented exactly as envisioned it still sounds incredibly dull and stagnant).
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think you mean Stalin's henchman with the ice axe who went to Mexico and killed Trotsky.
    right you are-I get my communist turds confused



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The ideology in and of itself is not a problem. It promotes order, equity amongst people with free access to services, preventing poverty.
    I agree that those notions appeal to many people (understandably) but, as I said, even if communism could be implemented exactly as intended, it still sounds like some sort of utopian nightmare to me, like you completely lose your individuality and identity and become nothing more than a worker bee completely indistinguishable from all the others.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    I never said that the second amendment kills people.

    I do believe that the application of the second amendment creates a mechanism whereby gun homicide is more likely to take place (to paraphrase turtledude).
    It isn't the second amendment which creates that mechanism. It's human beings who are destructive and want to kill. The second amendment was put in place for defense of the individual and the collective, not offense. There is nothing in the second which says it's okay to kill people.

    People are going to kill whether they have guns and gun rights, or not. they will kill with stones if need be, just as they did prior to humans making any significant gains using tools.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The ideology in and of itself is not a problem. It promotes order, equity amongst people with free access to services, preventing poverty. Problem is, this is idealistic to the max and cannot happen because of human nature. The ideology is not the issue; it's incompatibility with how humans operate is.
    If someone ever comes up with a system that is both compatible with human nature and able to control it that is a man I want to meet. No system for governance that I have found avoids the same ends. All the different systems appear to just vary in how long they last and how the authoritarianism is applied in the end. Nothing else about it is really all that different. It seems as if the basic human nature to abuse a position of authority is the nail in every last coffin of every last ideology in existence.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It isn't the second amendment which creates that mechanism. It's human beings who are destructive and want to kill. The second amendment was put in place for defense of the individual and the collective, not offense. There is nothing in the second which says it's okay to kill people.
    a couple of the dimmer gun haters constantly claim that the 2A is responsible for deaths. That is akin to saying that 21st Amendment was responsible for the Carrolton Bus crash where a drunk drier killed 27 people on a school bus



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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And when have you ever seen me do that? Actually, don't answer that.
    Well, there was the time...

    Sure and it's like anything else, some greed can be good but a lot can obviously be very bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It isn't the second amendment which creates that mechanism. It's human beings who are destructive and want to kill. The second amendment was put in place for defense of the individual and the collective, not offense. There is nothing in the second which says it's okay to kill people.

    People are going to kill whether they have guns and gun rights, or not. they will kill with stones if need be, just as they did prior to humans making any significant gains using tools.
    Much the same as turtledudes claim that the application of communism by people leads to the mechanism by which genocide can occur, I believe that it is the application of the second amendment by people that creates the mechanism by which more gun homicide takes place. Much like in the 2A, there is also nothing in communism which says it is ok to kill people (you don't have to think communism is a good thing to realize this). There is some serious cognitive dissonance going on if you claim that communism causes genocide but the 2A doesn't cause more gun deaths.

    If you disagree with me, that is fine. It is far from clear cut, I don't think the 2A is directly responsible for any deaths, and this isn't me being a 'dim gun hater':

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Your point is fair if you say the same about, say, the implementation of the 2nd Amendment and, really, who could deny that there are more deaths by gun in the US simply because there are more guns? However, I do not believe the overall murder rates are any worse because people will use what's available.
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    Re: Do firearms empower people?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    right you are-I get my communist turds confused
    Eh, I have a soft spot for Trotsky. George Bernard Shaw said this of his writing ability: "When Trotsky cuts off his opponent's head, he holds it up to show that there are no brains in it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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