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"Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

Is Political Correctness real?

  • Yes PC is real and is rampant. People are too sensitive.

    Votes: 38 67.9%

  • Yes and No - It depends. (Explain in your post)

    Votes: 11 19.6%

  • No PC is a made up escape goat. It is a catch phrase used to distract from a real issue.

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • Total voters
    56
Political correctness exists, but it is rarely properly understood. Although some choose to define it as a "not an asshole" mode of speech and thought regulation, it is much more than that.

It is a method of social conditioning by which an agreed upon "good" speech and thoughts are promoted against "bad" speech and thoughts.

It is nearly impossible to argue that it is an exclusively left-wing affair, just as it is nearly impossible to argue that it is inherently undesirable.

It is, in fact, a ubiquitous method of social control, and will remain with us whether we like it or not.
 
Zinthaniel said:
My initial post was that words can hurt and cause extreme reactions.
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Whether or not words can hurt is entirely irrelevant, there is no right anywhere that you cannot have your emotions bruised. And if it causes extreme reactions, that's the fault of the individual, not the words.
 
Cephus said:
And that's just too bad, isn't it? So now we should all refrain from exercising our free speech rights because there are crazy people out there who might take it the wrong way? Seriously? :roll:
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Oh my god.
Please point out where I said anything about refraining? Anything about challenging free speech? Where in my op or in any subsequent post i have made have I suggested that I think people should be censored?

The thread is about using PC as an excuse to ignore an issue. It's not about censoring anyone.
 
Seems to me people are too damn sensitive, I personally dont give a hoot what some dummy calls me etc. Having said that, I do beleive if a group dont like being called a term, just dont call them that. We aint out of words. It seems to be the RW gets all worked up about political correctness because they just want to use sophmoric offenseive terminology for some reason I cannot fathom. Try calling them teabaggers, suddenly they understand what offensive.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Contrary to popular belief sometimes words hurts enough so to cause extreme reactions. I.e Columbine Massacre.
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Columbine was perpetrated by youngsters who were by definition not fully grown in body or mind, and hence had insufficient self control, more so than normal at their age. Words if said alone with no one else around are no more significant than a passing wind. It takes two to communicate and the listener is ALWAYS in control both in comprehension, and acceptance. If you wish to insult or offend me and for it to have effect then I must comprehend your meaning and intent and then I must accept your meaning and intent. Nothing happens if I choose not to accept an offence, or I do no comprehend an offence. The listener is ALWAYS in control. I teach my children this. So they may armor themselves against fools and the drivel that come with them so they may exercise self control, the very basic foundation of what separates humans from the beasts. If you are offended by words you but an insecure fool with no semblance of self control, the very definition of savage, and uncivilized. I am a barbarian, a predator, I simply wear the mask of civility, even I know these simple truths.
 
Cephus said:
Whether or not words can hurt is entirely irrelevant, there is no right anywhere that you cannot have your emotions bruised.
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Why are you telling me this? When did I say anything that suggested people have a right to not be offended. I'm stating observation facts. Words hurt. They cause reactions. And you for whatever reason wan tot put words in my mouth.

And if it causes extreme reactions, that's the fault of the individual, not the words.
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Captain Obvious to the rescue.
 
mak2 said:
Seems to me people are too damn sensitive, I personally dont give a hoot what some dummy calls me etc. Having said that, I do beleive if a group dont like being called a term, just dont call them that. We aint out of words. It seems to be the RW gets all worked up about political correctness because they just want to use sophmoric offenseive terminology for some reason I cannot fathom. Try calling them teabaggers, suddenly they understand what offensive.
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Call me whatever you like just don't call me Shirley. :mrgreen: If you expect an answer you might try being polite.;)
 
grip said:
And you take the word of two psycho killers as truth? Those two nutbags didn't know the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground. No wonder you're confused about the subject.
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I'm not confused about anything. You seem to be though.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The assertion that there is no right or wrong only multiple shades of grey followed, sometimes immediately, by but you cannot express that "offensive" opinion is the dreaded use of PC to silence opposition. The current hoopla over the use of Redskins for the name of an NFL team yet no such backlash over the (equally offensive?) use of colored people, black people or brown people drives the point clearly home. Hail to the Redskins - fight against PC. ;)
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Are you saying the team should change its name to "The Red People"? I suppose that would be a compromise but I doubt it would fly.
 
Fiddytree said:
Political correctness exists, but it is rarely properly understood. Although some choose to define it as a "not an asshole" mode of speech and thought regulation, it is much more than that.

It is a method of social conditioning by which an agreed upon "good" speech and thoughts are promoted against "bad" speech and thoughts.

It is nearly impossible to argue that it is an exclusively left-wing affair, just as it is nearly impossible to argue that it is inherently undesirable.

It is, in fact, a ubiquitous method of social control, and will remain with us whether we like it or not.
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PC has and will always be around to some degree, though I believe it's currently at a level of nauseating proportions. It seems to circulate in intensity thru era's, like the 30's thru 50's were worse than the 60's thru 80's.

I remember telling an old man that people 'now days' are baby crazy. And he said, it had been that way since he was young. I guess nature makes them so cute and adorable, so we'll love them unconditionally. But the poop, pee, vomit, food throwing and crying are not on my menu of fun...lol

Ooops was that non-PC of me?
 
grip said:
PC has and will always be around to some degree, though I believe it's currently at a level of nauseating proportions. It seems to circulate in intensity thru era's, like the 30's thru 50's were worse than the 60's thru 80's.

I remember telling an old man that people 'now days' are baby crazy. And he said, it had been that way since he was young. I guess nature makes them so cute and adorable, so we'll love them unconditionally. But the poop, pee, vomit, food throwing and crying are not on my menu of fun...lol

Ooops was that non-PC of me?
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I don't think it's at nauseating proportions. I think it has always existed at this level, but the specifics that are socially regulated may be disproportionate to sensible levels at any given time. Political correctness has been a central foundation in this country since the beginning, but what specifically we wish to clamp down on and promote changes with time.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Why are you telling me this? When did I say anything that suggested people have a right to not be offended. I'm stating observation facts. Words hurt. They cause reactions. And you for whatever reason wan tot put words in my mouth.
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But whether or not they hurt is irrelevant. We don't need softer words, we need tougher people.
 
Fiddytree said:
I don't think it's at nauseating proportions. I think it has always existed at this level, but the specifics that are socially regulated may be disproportionate to sensible levels at any given time. Political correctness has been a central foundation in this country since the beginning, but what specifically we wish to clamp down on and promote changes with time.
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Then the specifics are disproportionate to being sensible. I've never seen people so afraid to say something slightly off color in public without getting railroaded.



Zinthaniel said:
You seem pretty inflamed by the words in my op. That's why you are still here.
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Fearandloathing said:
Tea Party is repugnant?

I suggest you need to look at some biases here.
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Comprehension deficit? The catchy name they chose turned out to be something repugnant to them. Take out that beam.

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Is it not usual to remove headgear (with or without tea-bags) while reciting the pledge?
 
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Fiddytree said:
I don't think it's at nauseating proportions. I think it has always existed at this level, but the specifics that are socially regulated may be disproportionate to sensible levels at any given time. Political correctness has been a central foundation in this country since the beginning, but what specifically we wish to clamp down on and promote changes with time.
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I find it rather hard to believe that a public personality one hundred, or even fifty, years ago would have had to make a public apology, and a full talk show "apology tour" simply for calling someone a bad name, or expressing an unpopular opinion.

I can think of at least two incidents of exactly that happening this year alone.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Comprehension deficit? The name turned out to be something repugnant to them. Take out that beam.
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Tea Party didn't. Tea-bagger did. Different terms. Lots of people still call themselves Tea Partiers.
 
grip said:
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:applaud: Your intellectual capacity is outstanding.

Tell more about how words don't phase you yet you feel weirdly inclined to respond to the fact that I think your debating tactics are juvenile.
 
grip said:
Then the specifics are disproportionate to being sensible. I've never seen people so afraid to say something slightly off color in public without getting railroaded.
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Throughout American history that's been something to observe. For instance, whether in the press or in private conversation, it was overwhelmingly obvious that Northerners had to observe the "sensitivities" of the South when discussing anything dealing with race or chattel slavery. Those that didn't toe the line to politely ignore it faced immense public ridicule or punishment that moved toward the person's economic livelihood (or their very lives). Given that we're talking about something as prominent as race and the South's largest economic force, this often stifled conversations and criticisms.
 
I hung out on a very conservative site at the time. They were scurrying about calling themselves tea-baggers. The instant they realized what it meant (heck, I didnt know either) it was like they had never heard the word before and they would have a fit if someone (like me) mentioned it. Kinda funny and certainly silly.
Cephus said:
Tea Party didn't. Tea-bagger did. Different terms. Lots of people still call themselves Tea Partiers.
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Cephus said:
Tea Party didn't. Tea-bagger did. Different terms. Lots of people still call themselves Tea Partiers.
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The wearing of tea-bags was a coincidence? Someone should have told Martha.

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Gathomas88 said:
I find it rather hard to believe that a public personality one hundred, or even fifty, years ago would have had to make a public apology, and a full talk show "apology tour" simply for calling someone a bad name, or expressing an unpopular opinion.
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Eh, Ida B. Wells nearly comes to mind. She made an apology tour in Europe, but it wasn't that kind of an apology tour. ;)
 
Zinthaniel said:
:applaud: Your intellectual capacity is outstanding.

Tell more about how words don't phase you yet you feel weirdly inclined to respond to the fact that I think your debating tactics are juvenile.
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Then you did cry?

I did a bad bad thing.
 
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