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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I'm saying that Alinsky's tactics are appropriate in some situations when being passive and silent means living with oppression, squalor and poverty.
    I would love to see you articulate a rationale for that. Even though he personally denounced Nazism and Russian style communism, it was the same methods that Alinksy taught and promoted that allowed Hitler and Lenin/Stalin to come to power. Whenever the argument is that we should be able to demand what we will have at the expense of others, we give license for the worst of the worst to take whatever they want and assign the rest of us whatever they think we should have whether that be something or nothing or crap.

    And political correctness is an early symptom of the intended totalitarianism as it demands that others give what is demanded, use the language that is dictated, submit to a specific social protocol, and suppresses all inconvenient truths that could disrupt the process.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 10-02-14 at 09:05 PM.
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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps one of the greatest efforts of the PC Militia is when they take comments out of context, edit them to invent a new context, and then spread the invented context around the various PC Militia news outlets so these enemies of their agenda can hopefully be destroyed.

    That's a real problem that should expose those who participate in such antics as the tools they truly are.
    Some things are offensive regardless of their context. Like most people, I say things sometimes that some might consider offensive, but I don't bitch about the "PC Culture" or "PC Police" if someone is offended by it.
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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But then my actual point stands that it's still "political correctness." Saying tea-bagger offends some on the right, the same way other words may offend people of that "group."

    Either you can say these words, or you can't. You don't get separate rules for the TP.
    Uhhh no.... intention means everything with words...
    If you want to use the word Teabagger in a honest non-insulting way.... then go for it, I don't think anyone should mind. But I don't think you could that with honesty.

    I mean you can go for it anyway, but I'm just saying I don't think it's contradictory when it comes to insults.

    Insulting is all the same... all of them are meant to do the same thing... we just think they are different, because insults try to pick at hard truths... or implied hard truths.
    just meant to be annoying....

    Intention is everything

    I think if you are confused on the intention of a word.... you just simply ask.... and the speaker will give you their definition and why they are not mocking you.

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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    If you criticize any culture other than your own, you are branded as being a anti-Christian or UnAmerican.

    If you criticize a life style you consider environmentally irresponsible, you are branded as as a "tree hugging enviro-fascist."

    If you criticize bigotry against minorities, you are branded as a "pervert," "terrorist sympathizer" or "race baiter."

    If you criticize US aggression abroad, you are branded as being a "appeaser," "terrorist sympathizer" or "surrender monkey."

    If you criticize behaviors which perpetuate poverty, you are told that you are "instigating class war."
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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I would love to see you articulate a rationale for that. Even though he personally denounced Nazism and Russian style communism, it was the same methods that Alinksy taught and promoted that allowed Hitler and Lenin/Stalin to come to power. Whenever the argument is that we should be able to demand what we will have at the expense of others, we give license for the worst of the worst to take whatever they want and assign the rest of us whatever they think we should have whether that be something or nothing or crap.

    And political correctness is an early symptom of the intended totalitarianism as it demands that others give what is demanded, use the language that is dictated, submit to a specific social protocol, and suppresses all inconvenient truths that could disrupt the process.
    Hitler and Stalin used assassinations and mass murder to gain and maintain power, Alinsky used protests, humor and boycotts to help those who impoverished and oppressed, never violence. He stood up for working people, oppressed minorities and the poor when doing so often was met with violent repression. I suspect one of the main reasons conservatives love to criticize him, besides his many successes, is largely because his name sounds Russian and Jewish. The people who hold all the wealth and power never give up their privilege unless they are threatened with violence or public shaming. Alinsky used public shaming.

    "...Alinsky once explained that his reasons for organizing in black communities included:

    Negroes were being lynched regularly in the South as the first stirrings of black opposition began to be felt, and many of the white civil rights organizers and labor agitators who had started to work with them were tarred and feathered, castrated—or killed. Most Southern politicians were members of the Ku Klux Klan and had no compunction about boasting of it....

    His early efforts to "turn scattered, voiceless discontent into a united protest" aroused the admiration of Illinois governor Adlai Stevenson, who said Alinsky's aims "most faithfully reflect our ideals of brotherhood, tolerance, charity and dignity of the individual."[4]

    As a result of his efforts and success at helping slum communities, Alinsky spent the next 10 years repeating his organization work across the nation, "from Kansas City and Detroit to the barrios of Southern California." By 1950 he turned his attention to the African American ghettos of Chicago.....

    Alinsky once threatened to stage a "fart in" to disrupt the sensibilities of the city's establishment at a Rochester Philharmonic concert. FIGHT members were to consume large quantities of baked beans after which, according to author Nicholas von Hoffman, "FIGHT's increasingly gaseous music-loving members would hie themselves to the concert hall where they would sit expelling gaseous vapors with such noisy velocity as to compete with the woodwinds."[13] Satisfied with his threat yielding action, Alinsky later threatened a "piss in" at Chicago O'Hare Airport. Alinsky planned to arrange for large numbers of well-dressed African Americans to occupy the urinals and toilets at O'Hare for as long as it took to bring the city to the bargaining table. According to Alinsky, once again the threat alone was sufficient to produce results.[13] In Rules for Radicals, he notes that this tactic fell under two of his rules: Rule #3: Wherever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy; and Rule #4: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon...."
    Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So-called 'political correctness' is about informing the clueless that the words they ignorantly choose to use are usually chosen with an intend to disrespect, dehumanize and belittle those who are different or unpopular. Those who are aware of that and choose to use those words regardless should be called out for what they are: bigoted, disrespectful bullies. Is their any doubt about the intent of most people who use words like wetback, nigger, faggot, camel jockey?
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 10-02-14 at 09:26 PM.

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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Does it bother you if I say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?
    Why would it? For the very word holiday is derived from Holy Day. I wonder how many people actually know that one.

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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Hitler and Stalin used assassinations and mass murder to gain and maintain power, Alinsky used protests, humor and boycotts to help those who impoverished and oppressed, never violence. He stood up for working people, oppressed minorities and the poor when doing so often was met with violent repression. I suspect one of the main reasons conservatives love to criticize him, besides his many successes, is largely because his name sounds Russian and Jewish. The people who hold all the wealth and power never give up their privilege unless they are threatened with violence or public shaming. Alinsky used public shaming.

    "...Alinsky once explained that his reasons for organizing in black communities included:

    Negroes were being lynched regularly in the South as the first stirrings of black opposition began to be felt, and many of the white civil rights organizers and labor agitators who had started to work with them were tarred and feathered, castrated—or killed. Most Southern politicians were members of the Ku Klux Klan and had no compunction about boasting of it....

    His early efforts to "turn scattered, voiceless discontent into a united protest" aroused the admiration of Illinois governor Adlai Stevenson, who said Alinsky's aims "most faithfully reflect our ideals of brotherhood, tolerance, charity and dignity of the individual."[4]

    As a result of his efforts and success at helping slum communities, Alinsky spent the next 10 years repeating his organization work across the nation, "from Kansas City and Detroit to the barrios of Southern California." By 1950 he turned his attention to the African American ghettos of Chicago.....

    Alinsky once threatened to stage a "fart in" to disrupt the sensibilities of the city's establishment at a Rochester Philharmonic concert. FIGHT members were to consume large quantities of baked beans after which, according to author Nicholas von Hoffman, "FIGHT's increasingly gaseous music-loving members would hie themselves to the concert hall where they would sit expelling gaseous vapors with such noisy velocity as to compete with the woodwinds."[13] Satisfied with his threat yielding action, Alinsky later threatened a "piss in" at Chicago O'Hare Airport. Alinsky planned to arrange for large numbers of well-dressed African Americans to occupy the urinals and toilets at O'Hare for as long as it took to bring the city to the bargaining table. According to Alinsky, once again the threat alone was sufficient to produce results.[13] In Rules for Radicals, he notes that this tactic fell under two of his rules: Rule #3: Wherever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy; and Rule #4: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon...."
    Saul Alinsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So-called 'political correctness' is about informing the clueless that the words they ignorantly choose to use are usually chosen with an intend to disrespect, dehumanize and belittle those who are different or unpopular. Those who are aware of that and choose to use those words regardless should be called out for what they are: bigoted, disrespectful bullies. Is their any doubt about the intent of most people who use words like wetback, nigger, faggot, camel jockey?
    Well I don't look to Wikipedia for Alinksy's views. I read Alinsky. And also the mindset of those who wish to be the word and behavior police (aka PC police.) Do have a nice day.
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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well I don't look to Wikipedia for Alinksy's views. I read Alinsky. And also the mindset of those who wish to be the word and behavior police (aka PC police.) Do have a nice day.
    What positions or actions did Alinsky take that you find objectionable enough to compare him to Hitler and Stalin?

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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    With the introduction of social media it has become more and more difficult to escape the "news" no matter what it's covering. As a result discussions of every little thing under the clear blue sky is becoming more and more a common past time, for all ages.

    With that the intrinsic social issues that are rampant throughout societies world wide- women rights, male rights, gay rights, racial rights, etc - get a lot of air time. And as a result there are some who appear to be weary of issues that seem to never go away. So in comes the new or reintroduced "it" phrase. "Political Correctness".

    It appears that now, regardless if the issue has any merit and is in fact morally or ethically insidious , those who are sick of discussing it dismiss it as "political correctness". They insist that the everyone is too "Sensitive" and that "it's not that big of a deal".

    The phrase is so over used and simplified that it is become a tired argumentative fallacy. Instead of engaging and honestly addressing an issue, those who refuse to see for what it is simply cry "PC" and go on their merry ol' way.

    It's rampant on this forum as well. It reeks of false victim hood, where those who belong to a privileged class that often is contributing to the misfortune of another people essentially cry out because they are being stripped of their right to subjugate, harass, alienate, or otherwise mistreat others. It's silly.

    But that's my perspective, what's yours?

    Is PC a real thing? Are people too sensitive? Or is PC a cop out excuse used to sweep pressing issues under the rug?
    I think a little of both. There certainly was a time in America when folk freely expressed all manor of bigotry, racism, and homophobia. The "N" word flowed off people's lips as freely as "dinners ready". I think there was room for correction, and a pivot toward more tolerance. But there's a human idiosyncrasy which causes the pendulum to swing too far one way or the other. When it gets too far in one direction, it gets pushed back. But it spends very little time in the middle, the best place. By that I mean that we're now headed toward the opposite extreme, and in that direction, there's fair chance that freedom of speech will be infringed upon. Wish we could keep the pendulum and the right balance, in the middle.
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    Re: "Politcal Correctness" - False Victim hood or Real issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    One of the former mayors where I live managed to get himself in trouble on #2. He officially changed the name of the Christmas Parade to "Holly Jolly Holiday Parade" in order to pander to the politically correct crowd...then he headed to a college football bowl game. He did not get to enjoy the game as his cellphone kept ringing with complaints. By the time the game ended....it became the Christmas Parade again.
    I used to work for one of the major food companies, and they tried to change Christmas to "Winter Holiday." I went down to HR and raised Cain. The head of HR said it was done so as not to offend anyone who has different beliefs. So I said I guess it's ok to offend the 70% of us who are Christians but not the 1 or 2 percent who might object?? Then I said, "Listen, Craig, you claim to be a Christian yourself. Why aren't you taking a stand against this nonsense? After all, Christmas is a federally-approved holiday." So I got him mad. What it ultimately took was my sounding the alarm to enough people who complained so that they changed it back to Christmas.

    They did the same thing with Easter, renaming it "Spring Break."

    They're a bunch of politically-correct a-holes. And a good many up in management who go along with some of these things are pussy Christians. Pansy-as*es.
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