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Ebola, will the US get it?

Ebola in the US?

  • Significant outbreak.

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Few cases possible.

    Votes: 18 85.7%

  • None at all.

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Don't know.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    21
grip said:
Every airport usually has some sort of security, and our TSA doesn't have to allow certain flights or passengers into the US.
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Are you going to trust the airport staffs of those nations, that was my question.

And it doesnt matter much what our TSA does. By then it's too late. Once everyone is on that plane, they have the potential to be exposed and be carriers.

So they need to be stopped before boarding. (Actually sooner than that but let's stick with that). Otherwise our TSA is turning around a plane with loads of Americans on it or not allowing all those Americans to disembark when they get here.
 
Lursa said:
Are you going to trust the airport staffs of those nations, that was my question.

And it doesnt matter much what our TSA does. By then it's too late. Once everyone is on that plane, they have the potential to be exposed and be carriers.

So they need to be stopped before boarding. (Actually sooner than that but let's stick with that). Otherwise our TSA is turning around a plane with loads of Americans on it or not allowing all those Americans to disembark when they get here.
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All we have to do is impose a restriction for all flights from African nations affected with Ebola, or anyone who's passport shows they've recently been there. It's not rocket science, and our border control at the airports would be the best place to control entry.

As it stands, they're only preventing people who show symptoms, and that's not something security is even trained to do.



Roughly 13,500 people from the Ebola-stricken countries of Sierra Leon, Guinea and Liberia have visas to visit the United States, according to federal data.

The data doesn’t show how many of those people are already in the United States, but visitors from those countries should be excluded until they can show they’re free of Ebola, said Jennifer Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that pushes for low-scale immigration.

“It would be reasonable [for the president] to designate Ebola as a communicable disease of public health significance. That would enable the State Department to impose tighter restrictions on visitors” from countries with Ebola outbreaks, she said.

Under current policies, only people with obvious Ebola symptoms are excluded by border officials. But a person can be infected with the disease, and not show any symptoms, for up to 21 days.

13,500 US Visas Given To People in Three Ebola Countries | The Daily Caller
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grip said:
All we have to do is impose a restriction for all flights from African nations affected with Ebola, or anyone who's passport shows they've recently been there. It's not rocket science, and our border control at the airports would be the best place to control entry.

As it stands, they're only preventing people who show symptoms, and that's not something security is even trained to do.
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What about the Americans over there? How do they get back? And if they go thru Europe or Asia...Americans or Africans....then what?
 
Lursa said:
What about the Americans over there? How do they get back? And if they go thru Europe or Asia...Americans or Africans....then what?
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Wait till they're cleared from being sick or brought back into quarantine.
 
grip said:
Wait till they're cleared from being sick or brought back into quarantine.
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Who will be clearing them or quarantining them in other countries?

Or are we doing this with entire planeloads here?
 
Lursa said:
Who will be clearing them or quarantining them in other countries?

Or are we doing this with entire planeloads here?
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The other countries shouldn't be allowing symptomatic people on planes who have traveled to and or from Ebola stricken countries. If they do allow them - the plane load should be quarantined in the country that receives them to prevent the spread.
 
Lursa said:
Who will be clearing them or quarantining them in other countries?

Or are we doing this with entire planeloads here?
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Other countries aren't our direct problem, but the CDC has been sending some resources. along with the WHO.

End of Q&A, I've more than satisfied your queries.
 
Ockham said:
The other countries shouldn't be allowing symptomatic people on planes who have traveled to and or from Ebola stricken countries. If they do allow them - the plane load should be quarantined in the country that receives them to prevent the spread.
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The person who is now sick in TX was not symptomatic when they got on the plane, nor when they got off.
 
grip said:
Other countries aren't our direct problem, but the CDC has been sending some resources. along with the WHO.

End of Q&A, I've more than satisfied your queries.
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Well you made a claim and I was just pointing out that it was not remotely that cut and dried.
 
Lursa said:
The person who is now sick in TX was not symptomatic when they got on the plane, nor when they got off.
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And he should have been quarantined until he were cleared. All travelers coming from these Ebola stricken nations should be quarantined as a preventative measure and tested, or not travel to the US at all.
 
Ockham said:
And he should have been quarantined until he were cleared. All travelers coming from these Ebola stricken nations should be quarantined as a preventative measure and tested, or not travel to the US at all.
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You said showing symptoms. He was not symptomatic. How would they know to Q him? And quarantine usually takes about 30 days, depending on the disease. You cant even find it in their bloodstreams for days or weeks.

So they should not be allowed to bring a jet over here with any passengers from those countries, thru ANY connecting airlines until they are quarantined THERE for the necessary period.

This is the reality. In *practice?* Good luck.
 
Lursa said:
You said showing symptoms. He was not symptomatic. How would they know to Q him?
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I'd see on his passport that he's from a country that is currently struggling with Ebola or was in a that same said country recently. On Visa's and Passports there are dates of travel and each page has a list of where a person travels and when.

Lursa said:
And quarantine usually takes about 30 days, depending on the disease. You cant even find it in their bloodstreams for days or weeks.
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Yep.

Lursa said:
So they should not be allowed to bring a jet over here with any passengers from those countries, thru ANY connecting airlines until they are quarantined THERE for the necessary period.
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Preferably - or if they do make it to the US, they should be quarantined here. That said, if a person traveled through Liberia for example 2 months ago and since has been in London... no need to quarantine them.

Lursa said:
This is the reality. In *practice?* Good luck.
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If Ebola spreads - it'll happen. In practice, it was done before - in the 1930's.... immigrants came over on boats with smallpox and were quarantined on Ellis Island. Why do you think it would be so difficult?
 
Ockham said:
If Ebola spreads - it'll happen. In practice, it was done before - in the 1930's.... immigrants came over on boats with smallpox and were quarantined on Ellis Island. Why do you think it would be so difficult?
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Do you think we should have q'd the plane this current victim arrived on?

It seems so from your post. So then you have to imagine the costs and the Americans screaming about violating their civil rights.

Air travel would nearly come to a halt. People wouldnt dare fly as they dont know who's going to get on a plane with them and risk being stuck in a Q facility for a month. Jobs would be lost, law suits would be filed. Shipping would be affected too.

Now what about those that fly into CA or Mexico? And are not symptomatic when they cross the border?

Our economy would be in dire dire trouble.

Does that mean we shouldnt attempt to do these things? Not necessarily. I'm just pointing out that those saying, 'just check their passports and/or quarantine them' may not have any idea of the real implications.
 
Lursa said:
Do you think we should have q'd the plane this current victim arrived on?
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Not the entire plane, just the one guy who days later became symptomatic.

Lursa said:
It seems so from your post. So then you have to imagine the costs and the Americans screaming about violating their civil rights.
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Travel to and from Ebola stricken nations now should carry an additional cost.

Lursa said:
Air travel would nearly come to a halt. People wouldnt dare fly as they dont know who's going to get on a plane with them and risk being stuck in a Q facility for a month. Jobs would be lost, law suits would be filed. Shipping would be affected too.
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Well air travel to and from those countries may certainly slow and they should. Frankly, I don't want anyone going to and from those countries unless they are government workers or military. US civilians should not be traveling there and then back to the US.

Lursa said:
Now what about those that fly into CA or Mexico? And are not symptomatic when they cross the border?
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If people have traveled to and or from those Ebola stricken countries, the same procedure as I've already outlined would apply.

Lursa said:
Our economy would be in dire dire trouble.
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For what reason would our economy be in "dire dire trouble". How much trade and travel do you believe goes on between the US and Liberia, Sierra Leon and Guinea? I don't think it's enough to put the US economy in dire trouble at all.


Lursa said:
Does that mean we shouldnt attempt to do these things? Not necessarily. I'm just pointing out that those saying, 'just check their passports and/or quarantine them' may not have any idea of the real implications.
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Oh I get that there would be real implications - but I see the issue not as only a health issue but a national security issue. These types of restrictions should have been put in place already. Instead we have a patient zero in Dallas as well as 12-18 more who may have been infected.

Up to 18 exposed to U.S. Ebola patient, including children | Reuters
 
Lursa said:
Do they have a "TSA" in Africa? Are they any more competent than the TSA here? I doubt it, their bureaucracies, corruption, and nepotism are historically horrendous.
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That's not the point at all. We're not even trying to stop them. And doctors who go there should plan on staying there, not nipping home to spread whatever they have around and then returning for yet another chance. ISOLATE the outbreak area. That doesn't mean regular flights back and forth.
 
Lursa said:
The person who is now sick in TX was not symptomatic when they got on the plane, nor when they got off.
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And never should have been allowed back in the first place.
 
Lursa said:
You said showing symptoms. He was not symptomatic. How would they know to Q him? And quarantine usually takes about 30 days, depending on the disease. You cant even find it in their bloodstreams for days or weeks.

So they should not be allowed to bring a jet over here with any passengers from those countries, thru ANY connecting airlines until they are quarantined THERE for the necessary period.

This is the reality. In *practice?* Good luck.
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You're just confirming that our government does not have the will to protect it's people.
 
clownboy said:
And never should have been allowed back in the first place.
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Looks like you were correct. Now the News and experts are asking, why the US gov't even allows people and flights from the Ebola hit regions, without making them wait for 21 days.
 
It looks like they've severely underestimated the spread and danger of Ebola. The CDC and gov't are trying to get their arms around this but they still won't restrict flights from Africa, or people who've even there recently. Doesn't seem very prudent to me?
 
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