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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Who will be clearing them or quarantining them in other countries?

    Or are we doing this with entire planeloads here?
    The other countries shouldn't be allowing symptomatic people on planes who have traveled to and or from Ebola stricken countries. If they do allow them - the plane load should be quarantined in the country that receives them to prevent the spread.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Who will be clearing them or quarantining them in other countries?

    Or are we doing this with entire planeloads here?
    Other countries aren't our direct problem, but the CDC has been sending some resources. along with the WHO.

    End of Q&A, I've more than satisfied your queries.
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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The other countries shouldn't be allowing symptomatic people on planes who have traveled to and or from Ebola stricken countries. If they do allow them - the plane load should be quarantined in the country that receives them to prevent the spread.
    The person who is now sick in TX was not symptomatic when they got on the plane, nor when they got off.
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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Other countries aren't our direct problem, but the CDC has been sending some resources. along with the WHO.

    End of Q&A, I've more than satisfied your queries.
    Well you made a claim and I was just pointing out that it was not remotely that cut and dried.
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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The person who is now sick in TX was not symptomatic when they got on the plane, nor when they got off.
    And he should have been quarantined until he were cleared. All travelers coming from these Ebola stricken nations should be quarantined as a preventative measure and tested, or not travel to the US at all.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And he should have been quarantined until he were cleared. All travelers coming from these Ebola stricken nations should be quarantined as a preventative measure and tested, or not travel to the US at all.
    You said showing symptoms. He was not symptomatic. How would they know to Q him? And quarantine usually takes about 30 days, depending on the disease. You cant even find it in their bloodstreams for days or weeks.

    So they should not be allowed to bring a jet over here with any passengers from those countries, thru ANY connecting airlines until they are quarantined THERE for the necessary period.

    This is the reality. In *practice?* Good luck.
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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You said showing symptoms. He was not symptomatic. How would they know to Q him?
    I'd see on his passport that he's from a country that is currently struggling with Ebola or was in a that same said country recently. On Visa's and Passports there are dates of travel and each page has a list of where a person travels and when.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And quarantine usually takes about 30 days, depending on the disease. You cant even find it in their bloodstreams for days or weeks.
    Yep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So they should not be allowed to bring a jet over here with any passengers from those countries, thru ANY connecting airlines until they are quarantined THERE for the necessary period.
    Preferably - or if they do make it to the US, they should be quarantined here. That said, if a person traveled through Liberia for example 2 months ago and since has been in London... no need to quarantine them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    This is the reality. In *practice?* Good luck.
    If Ebola spreads - it'll happen. In practice, it was done before - in the 1930's.... immigrants came over on boats with smallpox and were quarantined on Ellis Island. Why do you think it would be so difficult?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If Ebola spreads - it'll happen. In practice, it was done before - in the 1930's.... immigrants came over on boats with smallpox and were quarantined on Ellis Island. Why do you think it would be so difficult?
    Do you think we should have q'd the plane this current victim arrived on?

    It seems so from your post. So then you have to imagine the costs and the Americans screaming about violating their civil rights.

    Air travel would nearly come to a halt. People wouldnt dare fly as they dont know who's going to get on a plane with them and risk being stuck in a Q facility for a month. Jobs would be lost, law suits would be filed. Shipping would be affected too.

    Now what about those that fly into CA or Mexico? And are not symptomatic when they cross the border?

    Our economy would be in dire dire trouble.

    Does that mean we shouldnt attempt to do these things? Not necessarily. I'm just pointing out that those saying, 'just check their passports and/or quarantine them' may not have any idea of the real implications.
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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do you think we should have q'd the plane this current victim arrived on?
    Not the entire plane, just the one guy who days later became symptomatic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It seems so from your post. So then you have to imagine the costs and the Americans screaming about violating their civil rights.
    Travel to and from Ebola stricken nations now should carry an additional cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Air travel would nearly come to a halt. People wouldnt dare fly as they dont know who's going to get on a plane with them and risk being stuck in a Q facility for a month. Jobs would be lost, law suits would be filed. Shipping would be affected too.
    Well air travel to and from those countries may certainly slow and they should. Frankly, I don't want anyone going to and from those countries unless they are government workers or military. US civilians should not be traveling there and then back to the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Now what about those that fly into CA or Mexico? And are not symptomatic when they cross the border?
    If people have traveled to and or from those Ebola stricken countries, the same procedure as I've already outlined would apply.

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    Our economy would be in dire dire trouble.
    For what reason would our economy be in "dire dire trouble". How much trade and travel do you believe goes on between the US and Liberia, Sierra Leon and Guinea? I don't think it's enough to put the US economy in dire trouble at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Does that mean we shouldnt attempt to do these things? Not necessarily. I'm just pointing out that those saying, 'just check their passports and/or quarantine them' may not have any idea of the real implications.
    Oh I get that there would be real implications - but I see the issue not as only a health issue but a national security issue. These types of restrictions should have been put in place already. Instead we have a patient zero in Dallas as well as 12-18 more who may have been infected.

    Up to 18 exposed to U.S. Ebola patient, including children | Reuters
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Ebola, will the US get it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do they have a "TSA" in Africa? Are they any more competent than the TSA here? I doubt it, their bureaucracies, corruption, and nepotism are historically horrendous.
    That's not the point at all. We're not even trying to stop them. And doctors who go there should plan on staying there, not nipping home to spread whatever they have around and then returning for yet another chance. ISOLATE the outbreak area. That doesn't mean regular flights back and forth.

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