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Is Iran a Greater Threat Than ISIS?

Is Iran a Greater Threat Than ISIS?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 37.5%

  • No

    Votes: 20 62.5%
  • Total voters
    32
EnigmaO01 said:
Another apparent opinion with nothing to back it up.
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You have the ability to watch CNN, look at YouTube videos, read press media reports or for a military perspective do a little research at Janes as to what Hamas and Hezbollah are and want. There are numerous threads here on this very topic that follow the forum rules, which posting them here would not.
 
serato said:
Keep in mind that as an invading force with reasons still unknown to me, with numbers too large to be deemed terrorist all the while, that's exactly what you were doing in Iraq, masquerading as liberators my ass, yeah all this and that you have an issue with a few Iranians coming to aid in defense of their fearing neighbor? And you call Iran a nation of terror when that's what we do buddy, we F stuff up and call it a mission accomplished, b'cause that's exactly what was achieved.
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I wish I would have read this post from you to me before I responded to the previous post... because I would not have responded to you at all.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Recently Netanuahu stated at the UN General Assembly that Iran is a greater threat than ISIS. Do you agree with this statement?
Video can be found here: [h=1]Netanyahu: Iran poses greater threat than Islamic State[/h]
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A threat is a realistic chance of being attacked and severely damaged by a country. I would've said, yes, that Iran poses a credible threat at one time being ran by fundamentalists and having not much to lose. But now that they're having some economic success and stability with their current regime, I don't see them risking it as easily.

I would've said Russia lately had been an almost capitalist partner, before the Ukraine incident, though now they're looking like the most dangerous nation.

It all changes on the world stage in the matter of weeks to months sometimes. China is another seemingly capitalist partner that continues to build it's military, annex islands and border territory, always being assertive and economically aggressive.

Besides Russia and China, there are few nations that can pose a serious threat to the US. Terrorism is vicious and requires attention but it's not going to destroy our way of life. We have over 37,000 people dieing in road crashes each year alone.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I don't believe it I know it from first hand information. And it doesn't get anymore reliable than that. It's not my problem if you are naive enough to think everything you are told by your government is true, or historians are privy to clandestine operations.

And I could care less if you don't believe me.

Btw one of the historical accounts of the post Ft. Devens, Mass doesn't have the 10th Special Forces there. But not only was it there from about 1968 to sometime later, I was there too as a military dependent. I remember when the 10th relocated from Bad Tolz, Germany to Ft. Devens. So much for the accuracy of alleged military historians.
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10th Special Forces Group (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
PoS said:
The only reason why ISIS and Iran are a threat is because we keep trying to antagonize them. They wouldnt be threats to us if we just left them alone...
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If only you gave that bully more money maybe he wouldn't have taken your shoes as well. :roll:
 
EnigmaO01 said:
And you have links are or we supposed to believe you on face value?
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No...you supposed to believe well know facts. If you read a paper you'd know all those things are FACTS. Silly liberal.

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TheDemSocialist said:
Recently Netanuahu stated at the UN General Assembly that Iran is a greater threat than ISIS. Do you agree with this statement?
Video can be found here: [h=1]Netanyahu: Iran poses greater threat than Islamic State[/h]
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Absolutely.

Far, far more dangerous.....

Obama cannot acknowledge that now that he's paid back the $600 billion, he needs the fight to be a "new" threat as he has claimed he has Al Qaeda on the run and so forth and now made Iran a friend.

Iran is the only nation on the face of the earth of which Canada has ever severed diplomatic relations, they did so a week before the Benghazi attack. My question is what does Canada know that the US doesn't or is not willing to admit?
 
Montecresto said:
Saddam Hussein was a good check on Iran. But a "slowly growing giant"????
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Yeah, given time Iran will probably become a giant joining the rest of the giants of the world.
 
This is an invalid poll, there are very different reasons why Iran is a problem than why ISIS is a problem. At the same time there are different conditions to the means in which both obtain, or could obtain, weapons used on others. The "threat" from either is in large due to our foriegn policy, that by effect has managed to upset at least a good 1/3rd of the people on this planet.

But... we can say that between the two there is one key element we can blame, a similar take on religion.
 
Coin said:
You can't expect ISIS to have any puppets yet.
If ISIS would have had 50% of Iran's power, than we would be talking for another subject here.
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And if monkeys fly out my butt, we'd have a different situation as well.
 
PoS said:
The only reason why ISIS and Iran are a threat is because we keep trying to antagonize them.
They wouldnt be threats to us if we just left them alone...
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When a group of people start cutting off American citizen's heads the USA has to do something to make those people stop.
 
Mycroft said:
I think it is rather impossible for you to say that.

Do you seriously think Saddam would have prevented Iran from working to develop nuclear weapons? Do you think he would have prevented Iran from funneling money to Syria and various terrorist organizations?

I have to say that I think you are living in a dream world.
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Have you been in a coma since 2001? Prior to our going in, Iraq and Iran were mortal enemies. Saddam most certainly was a check on Iranian power. By toppling Saddam, introducing instability throughout Iraq and the Middle East, and leaving Iraq with a Shia government that is very close to Iran, we created a much more powerful Iran than what existed before.
 
Mycroft said:
I think Clinton probably thought the same thing in regard to Al Qaeda back in the 90's. Look what that got us: 9/11.
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No, Clinton didn't think that. I don't recall him closing our bases in the region, a chief reason given for the 9/11 attacks.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Absolutely.

Far, far more dangerous.....

Obama cannot acknowledge that now that he's paid back the $600 billion, he needs the fight to be a "new" threat as he has claimed he has Al Qaeda on the run and so forth and now made Iran a friend.

Iran is the only nation on the face of the earth of which Canada has ever severed diplomatic relations, they did so a week before the Benghazi attack. My question is what does Canada know that the US doesn't or is not willing to admit?
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That's interesting! I missed that. I too wonder what Canada knows.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I suggest you look at any of my posts on this forum about the Saudis and their involvement in world terrorism. In fact, you can ask Montecresto, that "liked" your post, with whom I have had numerous conversations about them.

However, they are in no way as dangerous, as a country, to the US and the world as the Iranian Ayatollah and Clerics are, who actually run that country and have complete control of their terrorist, military and nuclear programs.

The Saudis use private funds more than use a structured, official, government program to train, fund, equip and provide planning and operational support for terrorist groups around the world.

The Saudis are not true allies (friends), the Saudis have Islamist radicals within the royal family... but... the Iranians are far worse and far more dangerous.
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Beau, I would "like" any post that draws attention to the fact that 77% of the attackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian, regardless of who posted it, or to whom they were posting it to. It's been a sore spot with me since it happened, I didn't like the quick evacuations that Saudis in the States got after the attacks nor the treatment they have had ever since. Also, I don't appreciate the deal negotiated between Clinton (the US) over the "Arab Spring" suppression in Bahrain for support in Libya, another failed US policy. But that said, I didn't intend to offend you, and though you likely didn't notice it, in post 55, I stood up for you when responding to serato's post that prompted you to terminate your discussion with him. :)
 
ecofarm said:
And if monkeys fly out my butt, we'd have a different situation as well.
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Well, you may put the monkeys and your butt on the same level ......

However, I do not put ISIS and Iran and the same level and start comparing them with each others as well.
I never saw ISIS as a big threat, nor a small one. Just a tiny, temporary one.

I do see Iran as a potential threat due to their Uranium, but I do not see their intentions as a threat so far.
Iran never invaded a country.
They fought a war in the 1980's due to the fact that the United States & West gave Iraq a lot of weapons to attack Iran. Iran fought a defensive war for a few years by protecting it's border.

I find stupid bitching about Iran for so many years.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Have you been in a coma since 2001? Prior to our going in, Iraq and Iran were mortal enemies. Saddam most certainly was a check on Iranian power. By toppling Saddam, introducing instability throughout Iraq and the Middle East, and leaving Iraq with a Shia government that is very close to Iran, we created a much more powerful Iran than what existed before.
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Most worse is that you gave a lesson to the current leaders in ME.

During Iraq-Iran war
Saddam Hussein was given diplomatic, monetary, and military support by the U.S., including massive loans, political clout, and intelligence on Iranian deployments gathered using American spy satellites.
With Iranian success on the battlefield, the U.S. made its backing of Iraq more pronounced, supplying intelligence, economic aid, and dual-use equipment and vehicles, as well as normalizing their intergovernmental relations.
In 1982, Reagan removed Iraq from the list of countries "supporting terrorism" and sold weapons such as howitzers to Iraq via Jordan and Israel. France sold Iraq millions of dollars worth of weapons, including Gazelle helicopters, Mirage F-1 fighters, and Exocet missiles. Both the United States and West Germany sold Iraq dual-use pesticides and poisons that would be used to create chemical and other weapons, such as Roland missiles.

In 2006, Saddam was gone.

Good or bad, no one trust USA/West in that region anymore. Every puppet leader there does not worth anything and just make things worse.
 
Coin said:
Most worse is that you gave a lesson to the current leaders in ME.

During Iraq-Iran war
Saddam Hussein was given diplomatic, monetary, and military support by the U.S., including massive loans, political clout, and intelligence on Iranian deployments gathered using American spy satellites.
With Iranian success on the battlefield, the U.S. made its backing of Iraq more pronounced, supplying intelligence, economic aid, and dual-use equipment and vehicles, as well as normalizing their intergovernmental relations.
In 1982, Reagan removed Iraq from the list of countries "supporting terrorism" and sold weapons such as howitzers to Iraq via Jordan and Israel. France sold Iraq millions of dollars worth of weapons, including Gazelle helicopters, Mirage F-1 fighters, and Exocet missiles. Both the United States and West Germany sold Iraq dual-use pesticides and poisons that would be used to create chemical and other weapons, such as Roland missiles.

In 2006, Saddam was gone.

Good or bad, no one trust USA/West in that region anymore. Every puppet leader there does not worth anything and just make things worse.
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Hyperbole at it's finest
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Have you been in a coma since 2001? Prior to our going in, Iraq and Iran were mortal enemies. Saddam most certainly was a check on Iranian power. By toppling Saddam, introducing instability throughout Iraq and the Middle East, and leaving Iraq with a Shia government that is very close to Iran, we created a much more powerful Iran than what existed before.
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How did Saddam affect Iran's drive to produce nuclear weapons? How did Saddam affect Iran's support for various terrorist groups? The only reason Iran has continued their activities is because of the lack of effort of Middle East nations, European nations and, of course, the US.
 
Montecresto said:
No, Clinton didn't think that. I don't recall him closing our bases in the region, a chief reason given for the 9/11 attacks.
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Clinton had so much disregard for Al Qaeda that he passed up chances to take out bin Laden...resulting in 9/11.
 
Mycroft said:
How did Saddam affect Iran's drive to produce nuclear weapons? How did Saddam affect Iran's support for various terrorist groups? The only reason Iran has continued their activities is because of the lack of effort of Middle East nations, European nations and, of course, the US.
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1. The regime change we brought about in Iraq removed a mortal enemy of Iran and put into power a corrupt and very friendly government government to Iran. This made Iran the most powerful Muslim nation in the Middle East.

2. The Iranians know their actions now have little consequence other than economic sanctions because they know that after we spent 10 years and trillions of dollars nation building in Iraq, the citizens of the United States are simply not going to stand for another full scale war in the Middle East for at least another generation.

3. We cannot bring on other nations because just 10 years ago we lied to the world about the supposed threat that Iraq posed to world peace as well as Iraq's supposed massive stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons that didn't exist. Not to mention their purported advanced nuclear weapons program that didn't exist. Thus we no longer have any credibility with the rest of the world.

4. Iran has no incentive to cooperate with any type of U.N. weapons inspections because it did not prevent war in Iraq despite the fact weapons inspectors were in the country finding nothing other than what was already known and accounted for. Moreover, they now have every incentive to develop nuclear weapons as a safeguard against any attempts at regime change from the United States.
 
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