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Chromosomes and sport.

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spud_meister

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Should people with sex chromosome disorders be allowed to compete in gender segregated sports?
 
spud_meister said:
Should people with sex chromosome disorders be allowed to compete in gender segregated sports?
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interesting question. a woman I know well apparently has an XXY chromosome disorder. one of her advantages is high strength to weight rations due to extra testosterone which led to her setting some service academy records for pull-ups etc and served her well as a world class archer and martial artist. On the other hand, she has had medical issues involving a much higher risk of breast and ovarian cancers leading to surgical interventions.

since her condition is not due to any actions by her or others and since biologically and physically she is obviously female, I think not.
 
TurtleDude said:
interesting question. a woman I know well apparently has an XXY chromosome disorder. one of her advantages is high strength to weight rations due to extra testosterone which led to her setting some service academy records for pull-ups etc and served her well as a world class archer and martial artist. On the other hand, she has had medical issues involving a much higher risk of breast and ovarian cancers leading to surgical interventions.

since her condition is not due to any actions by her or others and since biologically and physically she is obviously female, I think not.
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If he's got a Y chromosome, then he's genetically male.
 
I think it depends on the disorder and if it may result in an unfair advantage against others.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Technically, she is in fact a man.

However, it is known that some people born with XXY have a female phenotype, and it is acceptable for them to identify as female.
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some have become pregnant and borne children.
if one has breasts, ovaries, a uterus and a vagina, I consider them female
 
TurtleDude said:
some have become pregnant and borne children.
if one has breasts, ovaries, a uterus and a vagina, I consider them female
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I know, understandable, just saying, she is by fact, a man.

A man born with a woman's phenotype (phenotype being one's physical characteristics).
 
Luftwaffe said:
I know, understandable, just saying, she is by fact, a man.

A man born with a woman's phenotype (phenotype being one's physical characteristics).
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it depends on how you define "man"

getting pregnant (i.e. producing eggs that become fertilized by a male) is pretty much the undeniable female characteristic
 
TurtleDude said:
it depends on how you define "man"

getting pregnant (i.e. producing eggs that become fertilized by a male) is pretty much the undeniable female characteristic
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One's genetic make-up is as core as core gets to what defines an animal. This "law" is recognized for every, single, living, thing, in, the universe (as we know it). There is no "depends" he is a man by fact.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I would consider him a female (and in person with him refer to him as her). However, he is undoubtedly a man and always will be a man until dead (the genetic make-up is unable to be changed with current technology).
 
Luftwaffe said:
One's genetic make-up is as core as core gets to what defines an animal. This "law" is recognized for every, single, living, thing, in, the universe (as we know it). There is no "depends" he is a man by fact.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I would consider him a female (and in person with him refer to him as her). However, he is undoubtedly a man and always will be a man until dead (the genetic make-up is unable to be changed with current technology).
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depends how you define female. I too read the google stuff you did
 
TurtleDude said:
depends how you define female. I too read the google stuff you did
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I didn't read anything from google.

I learned this last year in biology. An animal's sex is defined by their genotype, no matter what their phenotype is.

This is bog-down-super-super-as-simple-as-it-gets genetics.
 
Luftwaffe said:
I didn't read anything from google.

I learned this last year in biology. An animal's sex is defined by their genotype, no matter what their phenotype is.

This is bog-down-super-super-as-simple-as-it-gets genetics.
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as I said, I read the same stuff
 
TurtleDude said:
as I said, I read the same stuff
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Cool.

All we've been saying is that "she" is genetically a he, even though in society we refer to him as a she.

Then you started getting up and defensive and saying "nuh uh, depends on definition of woman!" There is absolutely no other definition for a male or female of a species; there is only one, there was only one, and there will always be only one.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Cool.

All we've been saying is that "she" is genetically a he, even though in society we refer to him as a she.

Then you started getting up and defensive and saying "nuh uh, depends on definition of woman!" There is absolutely no other definition for a male or female of a species; there is only one, there was only one, and there will always be only one.
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are you trying to pick a fight? to most people someone who can get pregnant is female. just saying
 
TurtleDude said:
are you trying to pick a fight? to most people someone who can get pregnant is female. just saying
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To most somewhat educated people, a person with a y chromosome, no matter what the other chromosomes are, is a male.

I've fought with you before, but keep in mind the subjects we fought in were subjective.

Fight me with the position you are in now you'll just get ****ing scraped and curbstomped.
 
Luftwaffe said:
To most somewhat educated people, a person with a y chromosome, no matter what the other chromosomes are, is a male.

I've fought with you before, but keep in mind the subjects we fought in were subjective.

Fight me with the position you are in now you'll just get ****ing scraped and curbstomped.
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you are trying to derail the thread. btw the athlete in question has never been disqualified as competing as a female.

btw you have never "curb stomped anyone kid
 
TurtleDude said:
you are trying to derail the thread. btw the athlete in question has never been disqualified as competing as a female.

btw you have never "curb stomped anyone kid
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Never derailed the thread. I responded to you and confirmed a point made earlier by another poster.

You're for some reason refusing to believe this man is a man.
 
Luftwaffe said:
To most somewhat educated people, a person with a y chromosome, no matter what the other chromosomes are, is a male.

I've fought with you before, but keep in mind the subjects we fought in were subjective.

Fight me with the position you are in now you'll just get ****ing scraped and curbstomped.
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So why, in this case, is genotype more definitive than phenotype?
 
spud_meister said:
So why, in this case, is genotype more definitive than phenotype?
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Genotype is the core genetic make-up of a person.

Phenotype is simply how they look.

When defining the sex BY FACT you must "report the source with the highest authority" which in this case is someone's genotype.

Take the best example possible, a transgender.

If a man has transgender surgery and becomes a woman we refer to him as a woman. However, scientifically speaking, the man still has X and Y chromosomes which means he is in fact, still a man.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Genotype is the core genetic make-up of a person.

Phenotype is simply how they look.

When defining the sex BY FACT you must "report the source with the highest authority" which in this case is someone's genotype.

Take the best example possible, a transgender.

If a man has transgender surgery and becomes a woman we refer to him as a woman. However, scientifically speaking, the man still has X and Y chromosomes which means he is in fact, still a man.
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Am I a ginger because I carry the genes for red hair, even though my phenotype is blonde? For Turtle Dude's friend, why is the Y chromosome more of a determinant than a functioning vagina and ovaries?

Genotype represents an extent of possibilities, phenotype is what a person actually is.
 
spud_meister said:
Am I a ginger because I carry the genes for red hair, even though my phenotype is blonde? For Turtle Dude's friend, why is the Y chromosome more of a determinant than a functioning vagina and ovaries?

Genotype represents an extent of possibilities, phenotype is what a person actually is.
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"As the resulting individual possesses at least one Y chromosome, they are typically considered genetically male, although the phenotype can be male, female or intersex."

Wikipedia take it with a grain of salt, it's the page on Klinefelter's syndrome (XXY).

If you have a Y chromosome you are genetically a man no matter what your phenotype is.

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As I think about it you're wrong on what genotype and phenotype are. Genotype isn't possibility range. You have genes for havnig red hair but you are NOT a ginger because you have DOMINANT genes for blond hair. Your genotype didn't have a list of possibilities, it specifically stated you would be blonde. WHAT IS A POSSIBILITY is the gene you pass down to your offspring. Phenotype is the physical representation of someone's genotype, the GENOTYPE is what the person ACTUALLY IS.
 
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This is what you think about in the day?
 
Yes, because it's a flipping game and does not matter at all.
 
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