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How Do We End The War on Terror?

What Should We Do To End The Terror War?

  • The West is doing the right thing.

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • We need more WAAAUGH! We need to bomb more! Boots on the ground!

    Votes: 6 11.3%
  • The West needs to change their foreign policy. Stop meddling in other countries.

    Votes: 30 56.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 24.5%

  • Total voters
    53

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Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
 
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At the recent Clinton Global Initiative a high representative of Jordan said that the middle eastern area is weakest to move against terrorism because of poverty. This while ISIS pays $1K a month to go and fight for "jihad" (the mis-leaded concept that they understand and support).

So as a response there are training and employment programs offered:

Education to employment: Designing a system that works | Public Sector Practice | McKinsey & Company

Especially this one for middle east:

Education for Employment - about us
 
I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

(And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)
 
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As the Obama regime has done...say the war on terror is over and then rename it.
 
As the Obama regimes has done...say the war on terror is over and rename it.

Maybe the administration could call it an "Islamic Outreach Program". :mrgreen:
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063803101 said:
Or how about this? The Arab Spring.

Better yet, the "Arab Spring Hoedown"
 
Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?

The short answer in any case is that we will end terrorism the same way we will stop crime.

Also, die people are being beheaded now. Our allies are under attack now. We are being threatened now.
Of course, we need to change our foreign policy and rather quickly. But that is mostly for other reasons and long under way. Clinton seemed to have already started and Bush certainly undertook measures in that direction as early as his first term. What Obama has been doing is continuing the effort. But shifting international security into supranational hands is not easy, without dangers nor quickly arranged. But ultimately that is what we have to do and largely Washington knows that.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063803101 said:
Or how about this? The Arab Spring.

Nope. It is Autumn now. But Spring will come.
 
As the Obama regime has done...say the war on terror is over and then rename it.

How about "War on Crime"?
 
(And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)

I don't think there is a way to end the war on terror. If they are gathering in such large groups as ISIS has done they do provide a very good target to hit. But this place called earth is never going to be the kind of place you can leave your door unlocked at night as those days are long gone.

Am curious what your solution would be as you seem do know but "we don't have the stomach to do what it takes"?. I know the general response is to Nuke Em but there are a lot of far range consequences of using a nuclear bomb that one has to really think about.

It does seem though that there are people who are put on earth just to cause havoc. I have no problem putting a bullet in their head.
 
How about "War on Crime"?

The MidEast is about Energy, "War is good business," hegemony, and a foolish support of scumbag leaders in the ME by US Intelligence agencies and their covert agendas. It doesn't sound like a basis for a peace plan or humanitarian endeavor to me.
 
I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

(And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)

And what exactly is 'to do what it takes'?
 
I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

(And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)

I understand mines not a popular view as far as some are concerned but i for one am grateful that not every single person living in a Muslim society has been turned to dust.

Genocide is disgusting and anyone who advocates it is just as bat **** crazy as the bastards cutting of peoples heads right now.
 
Leave other countries alone.

Stop supporting corrupt governments.
 
And what exactly is 'to do what it takes'?

It's there in black and white in the post. Genocide. Bomb them all and turn them to dust.
 
The MidEast is about Energy, "War is good business," hegemony, and a foolish support of scumbag leaders in the ME by US Intelligence agencies and their covert agendas. It doesn't sound like a basis for a peace plan or humanitarian endeavor to me.

That does not sound like a consistent argument.
 
That does not sound like a consistent argument.

Well, let's discuss part by part. Wars run on Energy. ME full of energy. Energy Corporations get the first profits of war because it is a mechanized military and requires fuel. War is establishing hegemony over somebody. We support lots of Sunni/Wahabi leaders that finance the terrorists that are the alleged enemy, ergo we indirectly support the terrorists and that generates war and war is good business. The CIA built al Qeda. At least they armed and financed al Qeda. The CIA funneled weapons from the Benghazi embassy to the "MODERATE" rebels ISIS/al Qeda in Syria and the more things change the more they remain the same and of course "War is good business, and business is good." The CIA General Haftar is stimulating business in LIbya. CIA stooge Poroshenko/Yatsenyuk is stimulating business in Ukraine. Over-Militarized police in the USA are spreading terror on the home front and business is good. What's not consistent?
 
Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

It's like (I believe someone else mentioned it earlier) a War on Crime. Terrorism isn't something that can be defeated, but everyone has a vested interest in stopping it. That's going to require an international commitment, with cooperation between local actors and foreign powers.

As to how the United States should handle terrorism, it's been doing a decent job so far. We could have helped to design a better (read: more decentralized) Afghan government, but so long as we maintain an airbase there that we'll use on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, we can help preserve its stability and prevent al-Qaeda from gaining another foothold. Airstrikes should be conducted on al-Qaeda terrorist cells in Yemen, Somalia, and other places, since they pose the greatest threat to America. Our current plan against ISIS - where we build a coalition of Middle Eastern forces to fight terrorism and then provide what they can't - works because it assigns the greatest responsibility to regional forces while still accomplishing our interests.

Most importantly, the root cause of terrorism is sectarian regimes and dictatorships. The policies of leaders like Assad and Gaddafi serve to inflame sectarian strife and thus provide breeding grounds for extremists. Therefore, undermining such regimes will advance the interests of counter-terrorism in the long run.
 
It's like (I believe someone else mentioned it earlier) a War on Crime. Terrorism isn't something that can be defeated, but everyone has a vested interest in stopping it. That's going to require an international commitment, with cooperation between local actors and foreign powers.

As to how the United States should handle terrorism, it's been doing a decent job so far. We could have helped to design a better (read: more decentralized) Afghan government, but so long as we maintain an airbase there that we'll use on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, we can help preserve its stability and prevent al-Qaeda from gaining another foothold. Airstrikes should be conducted on al-Qaeda terrorist cells in Yemen, Somalia, and other places, since they pose the greatest threat to America. Our current plan against ISIS - where we build a coalition of Middle Eastern forces to fight terrorism and then provide what they can't - works because it assigns the greatest responsibility to regional forces while still accomplishing our interests.

Most importantly, the root cause of terrorism is sectarian regimes and dictatorships. The policies of leaders like Assad and Gaddafi serve to inflame sectarian strife and thus provide breeding grounds for extremists. Therefore, undermining such regimes will advance the interests of counter-terrorism in the long run.



I see what you mean about that no-good Qaddaffi. He gave Libyans free food, free housing, free education through University and free energy and water and pretty much spoiled those bastards so bad that the current instability/chaos/death brought upon Libya is something those confounded Libyans should be thanking us for, eh? A well-run, well-oiled insurrection by the CIA and its colored flag operation, a/k/a false flag. Why haven't I seen those thankless Libyans lining up to kiss Obama's ring for helping them out?
 
I see what you mean about that no-good Qaddaffi. He gave Libyans free food, free housing, free education through University and free energy and water and pretty much spoiled those bastards so bad that the current instability/chaos/death brought upon Libya is something those confounded Libyans should be thanking us for, eh? A well-run, well-oiled insurrection by the CIA and its colored flag operation, a/k/a false flag. Why haven't I seen those thankless Libyans lining up to kiss Obama's ring for helping them out?

Yup. Libya was a paradise under Gaddafi. There was no reason whatsoever for anyone to do anything short of worshiping Gaddafi. Those goddamn CIA-backed protestors deserved to be shot in the streets and tortured.
 
First off, you cant have war on a tactic.
Second off, we need to stop medling in other countries businesses, we need to stop supporting regimes that support terrorism, and the US government also needs to stop supporting terrorist groups either directly, and stop doing actions that create more terrorists.
 
Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

(And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)

I understand mines not a popular view as far as some are concerned but i for one am grateful that not every single person living in a Muslim society has been turned to dust.

Genocide is disgusting and anyone who advocates it is just as bat **** crazy as the bastards cutting of peoples heads right now.

Maybe, I'm too easy going when someone strongly voices exasperation. Maybe, others are more perfect of thought.

She did say "[U]we can't [/U]turn them into dust".

She did offer a fix; while overstated it would accomplish a desired end with selective application.

In general, people are too quick to condemn and the ensuing "feeding frenzy" does nothing but serve as a distraction from real problems; two of them being:

1) The leadership and feckless foreign policy of the U.S.A which then creates

2) It's now untenable position as a world leader; which creates a political void that can/will be filled by something less desirable or not. It's a crap shoot.

Which then creates, which then creates, which then creates.............

I can actually understand the posted frustration and there may be many who think "it's too damned bad we can't.........."

Enjoy life Serenity

Thom Paine
 
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