View Poll Results: What Should We Do To End The Terror War?

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  • We need more WAAAUGH! We need to bomb more! Boots on the ground!

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Thread: How Do We End The War on Terror?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It only takes three posts before genocide of two billion people is advocated to fight terrorism..and gets four 'likes.'.....
    You are mistaken about the bolded. Reading can be educational.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    It seems "other" got so many votes, because it's a complicated situation that we exacerbated, with our trying to democratize the Muslim region of the ME to change their extremist zealotism. You can't fight ideas by coining the phrasing incorrectly from the beginning. I, basically, only respond to someone who doesn't like my ideals or attitude, by ignoring them and only reacting when necessary. But, I've never fought to lose or break even, which is partially what we're doing with our military.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I agree that there are no easy answers to what's going on there. Sometimes I wonder if a pan-Arab state created after WWI would have been the best option for the Middle East, or if that too would eventually have blown up.
    The Ottoman empire was fairly close to a pan-Arabic state (not that the Turks are Arabs) before WWI that was broken up to punish them for siding with the Germans. Who knows what might have happened if it was allowed to continue.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You are mistaken about the bolded. Reading can be educational.
    I see now that you later elaborated to say that you only want to kill ISIS supporters.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    We re-enter Iraq with 500,000 troops, occupy it just like we occupied Japan. Rebuild the country and secure it. Use it as a base for combat opperations in the ME against extreamists and wipe all the groups out with relentless and unapologetic force. That is the only way we will finish with the war on terrorism. And this is a battle that may take 50+ years, but it is a battle that if not fought, will terrorize us much longer and possible spark a world war.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    "shrug" Conservatives often steam that green "soft terrorists" like Bill Ayers enjoy respected positions in society, but Ayers is nothing on that scale. Those guys who killed the 1972 Israeli Olympic team in Munich went on to become well respected figures in their own social context. Similarly, for as many terrorists groups that are struck down by NATO or the U.S. there are many more climbing into power by infiltrating or reaching settlements with ruling governments, which I believe has happened and continues to happen in Libya. Not to mention that the ex-leaders of the Irish Republican Army are currently the leading figures in the Republic of Ireland.

    The point I'm trying to make is that terrorism can become a respected profession in some cultural contexts (the Sons of Liberty were terrorists against the British Empire who went on to become the Founders of the American Republic), in some ways as easy a segue way into politics as joining the Army or the Peace Corps or the diplomatic service. The sort of agitation it produces in many communities in the developing world is no different than the sort of agitation that Congress causes ordinary Americans. Terrorists do things that annoy local populations, but they also do things that population can respect, or at least understand. That was broadly the feeling of the majority of the Irish toward the IRA during the years its operations, or the feelings of Americans toward the Sons of Liberty.

    Point is, terrorism is cultural in many societies. Once something is cultural, it is here to stay.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Terrorism is a result of the radicalism of a society.
    Educating that society towards moderate world views is the only way to eradicate terrorism.
    That cannot happen on the short run, only on the long run, and in the case of the Islamic societies that breed those terrorists in modern days it's not going to happen anytime soon if anytime at all.

    That being said the current solution to terrorism must be force and force alone, massive use of force that will kill them faster than they recruit new idiots for their barbaric organizations. As simple as that.

    Listening to their silly claims about why they engage in terrorism and believing that if the West fulfills those claims they'll leave their ways and stop murdering people is insane - they aren't rational, their causes and claims aren't rational, their ultimate final goal isn't one you can simply accept and compromise with. They cannot be reasoned with. They can only be locked in prison cells or eliminated from the face of earth.

    There are too many terror apologists on this thread who believe that those people we're dealing with are rational, ordinary human beings.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The Ottoman empire was fairly close to a pan-Arabic state (not that the Turks are Arabs) before WWI that was broken up to punish them for siding with the Germans. Who knows what might have happened if it was allowed to continue.
    The ottomans missed out on the oil boom (thankfully) but if they had not, looking at the genocides in Greece, Armenia, etc it would have been antagonistic to the west, and probably many more would have been killed. Its not to wild to see them joining the Axis in WW2, meaning the war in eastern europe, north Africa, and the mediterranean would have been protratd.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Better yet, the "Arab Spring Hoedown"


    I prefer the "Arab Winter", followed by 9 months of nasty weather.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    We will end the "War on Terror" the same way that we will end the wars on drugs and poverty- by reducing them to the point where they no longer pose a threat to the existence of humanity.

    This will never happen as fast as the right-wing in the USA would like to see it happen.

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