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Thread: How Do We End The War on Terror?

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Seriously, I don't need the headache of dealing with crypto-fascist fantasies of the 1950's reds under my bed. It was RW cover to deny labor organization and Civil Right legislation, but it collapsed with the collapse of the Soviet Union... and trying to use it as a talking point now for Islamophobia exposes the Birchers for what they are, extremist nut cases that still linger on the fringe of society.
    I didn't think you'd want to debate me about Joe McCarthy. Maybe some other time, when you don't have a headache.

    Hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from a number of sources have become available for the first time during the past twenty or thirty years. These include a trove of Soviet diplomatic cables the U.S. intercepted and decrypted for about thirty years, which were published by the Government Printing Office in the mid-1990's. These documents, read together, prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the security threats McCarthy and other members of Congress were investigating were all too real. In some cases, they were even worse than anyone suspected at the time.

    Stalin had taken advantage of the lax security that prevailed when the U.S. and USSR were allies during WWII to infiltrate the government with many dozens of people who were in various ways working for the Soviet Union, and against this country. All sorts of departments in the executive branch, including in the military services, were riddled with these people during Truman's presidency. A few of them were outright KGB agents.

    I don't know any members of the John Birch Society (I think there must be about a hundred all together) and I doubt many people pay attention to it any more. But it seems to have caught your attention. You are right that there are extremist nut cases lingering on the fringe of society--no doubt about that. They pop up on sites like this occasionally, making furious rants against "right wingers," Christians, people who support gun rights, and anyone else who loves this country and dares question their intolerant collectivist views. These people on the fringe are sort of today's version of the America-hating Reds of the 1940's and early '50's.

    I hadn't heard the term "crypto-fascist" in a long time. It's very insulting, and directing it at any other poster would very likely violate the civility standards here. It was Gore Vidal I first heard use that term when, as a guest on William Buckley's TV show "Firing Line," he called Buckley one. The enraged Buckley responded by swearing at him, calling him a derogatory name that referred to Vidal's homosexuality, and threatening to knock his God damned teeth out. Only too bad he didn't.
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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Seriously, I don't need the headache of dealing with crypto-fascist fantasies of the 1950's reds under my bed. It was RW cover to deny labor organization and Civil Right legislation, but it collapsed with the collapse of the Soviet Union... and trying to use it as a talking point now for Islamophobia exposes the Birchers for what they are, extremist nut cases that still linger on the fringe of society.
    It is clear that after two tries you have learned a new left wing smear. Crypto-Nazi or cypto-fascist.

    What do they mean to you?

    They mean nothing to me.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm not scared of Islamic extremists as long as our government promotes sound policy. There's the rub. You, your not concerned with sound policy, or knowing how and why the Islamic State is out of the bottle. You're just scared and want another war in the ME. I assure you, that just as AQ lives, the Islamic State will live.
    I'm very concerned with sound policy, but the time for sound policy was 50 years ago. Or 40 years ago. Or 20 years ago. The time for sound policy is past, we've used unsound policy to generate these animals, now all the sound policy in the world isn't going to make them back down. We've passed the point of no return. You think just walking away from the ME will make them leave us alone. I don't think that's an option any longer.
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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is clear that after two tries you have learned a new left wing smear. Crypto-Nazi or cypto-fascist.

    What do they mean to you?

    They mean nothing to me.
    Of course they don't. I would not expect them to.

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Of course they don't. I would not expect them to.
    I wanted your explanation.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I wanted your explanation.
    You don't have an intertube connection allowing you to look up the "crypto-" prefix?

    that's rough.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

    (And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)
    Sorry, but ive been to iraq twice and i am in no way in favor of "turning every single one" to dust. Which i assume you mean nuclear holocaust. Most people in iraq are just trying to get by. They are painters, car salesmen, bankers, doctors etc. they are muslim, and are about as devout as the average american that goes to church once in a while.

    There is a growing number of assholes that ruin it for the average citizen though.

    To answer the op, you never win, but you suppress it and keep it off our shores. You cant do that by wishing it away and closing overseas installations. You do it with boots on the ground and come down on the responsible parties like a hammer crushing a walnut

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Sorry, but ive been to iraq twice and i am in no way in favor of "turning every single one" to dust. Which i assume you mean nuclear holocaust. Most people in iraq are just trying to get by. They are painters, car salesmen, bankers, doctors etc. they are muslim, and are about as devout as the average american that goes to church once in a while.
    And you, in addition to a couple of others here, apparently have reading comprehension issues. I never said anything about the bread and butter citizens. I will reiterate for you, as I did before- I said CRAZY ISLAMISTS. That doesn't describe your average Iraqi citizen, does it?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    And how do you eradicate the crazy from the normal? With ground troops.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apparently, there isn't but a few women in the Peshmerga worried about the Islamic State enough to confront them.
    ISIS forbids music, ISIS forbids Art, it abhors the existance of ancient history.

    how can any muslim accept living under a regime that outlaws the existance of some of the great cultural contributions of the islamic world: its art, architecture, and music?
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