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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I'm not uneducated, and I see him pretty much the same way--a person who resents most things about this country and inwardly sympathizes with Islamists who share that resentment. Hard to do well in a war when you have a President who doesn't much like your country.
    You must feel the same way then about more than 50% of American voters that elected him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "This proves my earlier point. We no longer have strategists. The war on terror is misnamed. It should be a war on Islam. Islam is the problem so Islam must be eradicated as a political-religion. It is a war of Western civilization against 7th century barbarism. Today it is a war we are losing."

    How many resources did it take to defeat the scourge of soviet communism? Granted we did not complete the job. We left the communists in our country in the universities and in the environmental movement.

    It does require the desire to win and the effort to develop a long term strategy. If the cost is in trillions it will be over several generations. It could be borne by the simple, and necessary steps of reducing the size and scope of our present welfare state.
    1964 Barry Goldwater called and wants his Bircher rhetoric back, McCarthy is calling too...


    What crypto-NAZI nonsense.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "Of course we can lose a war we do not fight. One of our problems is that we fail to recognize the nature of the wars we find ourselves in. We do a poor job of determining what it takes to win. We have long failed to train strategists who can creatively apply national power including diplomacy, propaganda and military force to win."

    You are welcome. I hope you will.


    Wars have many components. Some have very large components designed to influence the enemy populace. Islamism uses influence in a variety of ways. One is to frighten and intimidate its enemy. Beheadings and rapid successful attacks are useful tools for this. Another is to place agents of influence within the enemy's population. Today we have between 2.5 and 3 million Muslims living in the US. European countries have a larger percentages than we do. In addition they place front groups among us to use our laws against us. We have enemy lobbyist groups who influence our laws and our policy. We have Islamists who are part of the Islamofascist supporter's staff. They constantly, steadily work against us.

    They use the divides between us to drive additional wedges between us. We have some, like you and people who believe as you do, that find fault with us and not with our enemies. People like you are very useful to our enemies. You wittingly or unwittingly prepare us for our defeat. No matter how many times people like you are on the wrong side of history there will always be people like you to fulfil your role.

    In my opinion the goal of this long period leading up to the use of force is designed to convince us that the war cannot be won, that it is futile to try, and to prevent us from seizing the initiative. It is to prevent people like you, and those who believe as you do, from realizing that we are even in a war. As you can tell from the comments on this board our enemies are succeeding.


    Has the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course done anything that would lead you to believe he is not supporting the Islamists? Has he asked the Congress for a declaration of war? Has he used our military might to obliterate the combatants we see? Has he used diplomacy to convince the sources of Islamist power that they had better stop? If not, why not?


    This proves my earlier point. We no longer have strategists. The war on terror is misnamed. It should be a war on Islam. Islam is the problem so Islam must be eradicated as a political-religion. It is a war of Western civilization against 7th century barbarism. Today it is a war we are losing.
    Presidents going back to Carter (at least) have supported militant Islamists! Why would only Obama be an Islamofascist?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Presidents going back to Carter (at least) have supported militant Islamists! Why would only Obama be an Islamofascist?
    I have made no claim that other presidents are flawless. We have to deal with the present situation in the present. This president has Islamists on his staff. He pulled troops out of Iraq that could have/would have prevented ISIS in Iraq. He has restrained the military. He is an absentee when he should be present.

    After we win this war, if you like, we can discuss the merits of other presidents' approaches.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I have made no claim that other presidents are flawless. We have to deal with the present situation in the present. This president has Islamists on his staff. He pulled troops out of Iraq that could have/would have prevented ISIS in Iraq. He has restrained the military. He is an absentee when he should be present.

    After we win this war, if you like, we can discuss the merits of other presidents' approaches.
    American foreign policy transcends presidents. Nothing that is done is without big business in mind. And our military, supplied by our military industrial complex protects those interests. If an authoritarian regime serves those interests, they stay, if not, the American public begin hearing about humanitarian abuses, and if necessary, they will be declared a threat to our national security. During the 50's-70's left leaning democracies in Latin America were replaced by right wing dictatorships. This happened right through democratic and republican administrations. There is no difference. You have a stiff right wing partisan mentality and bias, and as such all problems come from a left wing ideology, which isn't objective or factual. But carry on, press for more war.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    "We have to deal with the present situation in the present. This president has Islamists on his staff. He pulled troops out of Iraq that could have/would have prevented ISIS in Iraq. He has restrained the military. He is an absentee when he should be present.

    After we win this war, if you like, we can discuss the merits of other presidents' approaches."
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    American foreign policy transcends presidents.
    Does it?
    If so why did the Islamofascist supporter pull our troops from Iraq?
    If so why did the Islamofascist supporter encourage ousting Mubarak?
    If so why did the Islamofascist supporter encourage ousting Gaddafi?
    If so why did the Islamofascist supporter announce our departure from Afghanistan?
    If so why did the Islamofascist supporter fail to support Israel?

    Nothing that is done is without big business in mind.
    Is crony capitalism now foreign policy? If this were true why has the Marxist sicked his EPA dogs on big coal?

    And our military, supplied by our military industrial complex protects those interests.
    I see. No doubt you believe this.

    If an authoritarian regime serves those interests, they stay,
    This makes sense to me. I would change "those" interests to "our" interests.

    if not, the American public begin hearing about humanitarian abuses, and if necessary, they will be declared a threat to our national security.
    We can disagree. There are many places where we have no interests and they are not declared to be a threat.

    During the 50's-70's left leaning democracies in Latin America were replaced by right wing dictatorships. This happened right through democratic and republican administrations. There is no difference.
    Name some countries and dates and let's discuss the reasons.

    You have a stiff right wing partisan mentality and bias, and as such all problems come from a left wing ideology, which isn't objective or factual. But carry on, press for more war.
    I word it differently. Left wing and right wing are not very helpful terms. I use Authoritarian statist for all of those who want power concentrated in the state. They tend to be Progressives, fascists, liberals, national socialists, international socialists...statists. On the other side are people like me. I believe the purpose of the state is to protect individual liberty and individual freedom. If you like we can call them Constitutional Conservatives since most of the time we will be referring to US politics.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    American foreign policy transcends presidents. Nothing that is done is without big business in mind. And our military, supplied by our military industrial complex protects those interests. If an authoritarian regime serves those interests, they stay, if not, the American public begin hearing about humanitarian abuses, and if necessary, they will be declared a threat to our national security. During the 50's-70's left leaning democracies in Latin America were replaced by right wing dictatorships. This happened right through democratic and republican administrations. There is no difference. You have a stiff right wing partisan mentality and bias, and as such all problems come from a left wing ideology, which isn't objective or factual. But carry on, press for more war.
    Is it really pressing for more war? I don't know anybody who wants that other than perhaps a very few amoral, sociopathic individuals in the military industrial complex who covet more markets for their products and therefore more power and wealth for themselves. I think such individuals are in so small a minority that they have little ability to affect policy. They may approve of and even promote war, but ultimately it will be those with somewhat different agendas who take us into war.

    The most obvious reasons we go to war are:
    1) A President who wants to wag the dog or boost sagging approval ratings or salvage a legacy. . . .
    2) A Congress and general public who are outraged by an unwarranted attack by another country or terrorists. . . .
    3) A dictator or militant group that intends to commit genocide (a matter of conscience) or control resources that could cripple the economy and/or defense capabilities of free world nations (a matter of practicality).

    It is pretty easy to fit the huge majority of military actions into one of those categories.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    The War on Terror has been, and will continue to be one giant string of failures. Our international reputation is at an all-time low. And I wonder why? Our attempts to create a liberal-democratic world order were always going to fail. American values are many nations' bÍte noire. It's about time we sat back and took a non-interventionist approach, an approach without entangling alliances. Trade and nothing more. In contravention to wishes of the globalists and authoritarians over at the UN, the neocons and the liberals. Reclaim foreign policy for the advantage of the ordinary American and stop funding unnecessary war.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    1964 Barry Goldwater called and wants his Bircher rhetoric back, McCarthy is calling too...


    What crypto-NAZI nonsense.
    Most brownshirt nonsense in this country is carefully disguised as concern for "social justice," the rights of various victim groups, etc. And it comes from people who ironically claim to be "liberal." In fact they are the very opposite.

    Senator Joseph McCarthy was a very brave man who tried to warn this country about communist subversion that documents which have come to light long after his death prove was all too real. Any time you would like to debate anything about his work with me, come ahead.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Most brownshirt nonsense in this country is carefully disguised as concern for "social justice," the rights of various victim groups, etc. And it comes from people who ironically claim to be "liberal." In fact they are the very opposite.

    Senator Joseph McCarthy was a very brave man who tried to warn this country about communist subversion that documents which have come to light long after his death prove was all too real. Any time you would like to debate anything about his work with me, come ahead.
    Seriously, I don't need the headache of dealing with crypto-fascist fantasies of the 1950's reds under my bed. It was RW cover to deny labor organization and Civil Right legislation, but it collapsed with the collapse of the Soviet Union... and trying to use it as a talking point now for Islamophobia exposes the Birchers for what they are, extremist nut cases that still linger on the fringe of society.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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