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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    War on Terror = Islam's War on the World.

    To win, one must find the enemy (all radical Islamics) and drestroy them.

    To contain the problem, ban all Islamics from the West.

    If this is the case why arent these groups targeting places like switzerland and sweden? Its not the ideals of islam to wage war on everyone, but when multiple countries are constintaly bombing their countries and towns there going to be upset and want to fight back. The foreign policy of the united states is what started this whole mess to begin with. It's very obtvious, we arm regimes to take out countries, we pay for the overthrowing of leaders and nations. We wanted to go to war a year ago to take out assad, and now assad seems to be one of the few people that is actually fighting ISIS, so we arm rebels that are fighting ASSAD with millions of dollars in weapons! The united states and its major allies are the reason this group is conducting the business it is conducting. We need to leave them alone, we need to allow the good people of these countries to fight for themselves or itll be more and more money millions and millions of dollars more and more death. And the fact that conservatives actually believe we should spend time in there is just beyond ludacris to me, considering we can not even afford to pay for our veterans. Atleast a majority of people agree with me

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is lose. Not loose.

    Of course we can lose a war we do not fight. One of our problems is that we fail to recognize the nature of the wars we find ourselves in. We do a poor job of determining what it takes to win. We have long failed to train strategists who can creatively apply national power including diplomacy, propaganda and military force to win.


    The war is not over. It is true that Der Fuhrer, the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course, in between fund raisers, gave away many of our early victories. Such is the nature of tyrants. We will rid ourselves of him and his henchmen, then we can move forward to defeat Islamism.

    But first our tyrant must go. As long as we have an Islamofascist supporter, an anti-American president, we cannot win as we will choose not to fully engage.
    Well thanks, I'll return the favor sometime.

    Its ridiculousness to suggest you could lose, or win for that matter, a war which you don't engage in. It's also uneducated to call Obama the things you do. And of course the war isn't over, if it's that nebulous "war on terror" Bush started to which you refer. It has no end. And US policies have guaranteed that. It's job security for the defense contractors and our military, and CIA as well. I'm still surprised at the numbers of Americans scared of Muslims. All the government has to do is claim that their coming to get us, and people start quivering.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    If this is the case why arent these groups targeting places like switzerland and sweden? Its not the ideals of islam to wage war on everyone, but when multiple countries are constintaly bombing their countries and towns there going to be upset and want to fight back. The foreign policy of the united states is what started this whole mess to begin with. It's very obtvious, we arm regimes to take out countries, we pay for the overthrowing of leaders and nations. We wanted to go to war a year ago to take out assad, and now assad seems to be one of the few people that is actually fighting ISIS, so we arm rebels that are fighting ASSAD with millions of dollars in weapons! The united states and its major allies are the reason this group is conducting the business it is conducting. We need to leave them alone, we need to allow the good people of these countries to fight for themselves or itll be more and more money millions and millions of dollars more and more death. And the fact that conservatives actually believe we should spend time in there is just beyond ludacris to me, considering we can not even afford to pay for our veterans. Atleast a majority of people agree with me
    Yep. Look, the hawks, cons and mongers don't give a **** about that though.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Neither of those examples demonstrate that they believed that the US or US policies "caused" terrorists!! Get this, terrorists exist, and US policy can contain them, or US policy can embolden them!
    Right. Whatever you say.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's also uneducated to call Obama the things you do.
    I'm not uneducated, and I see him pretty much the same way--a person who resents most things about this country and inwardly sympathizes with Islamists who share that resentment. Hard to do well in a war when you have a President who doesn't much like your country.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    "Of course we can lose a war we do not fight. One of our problems is that we fail to recognize the nature of the wars we find ourselves in. We do a poor job of determining what it takes to win. We have long failed to train strategists who can creatively apply national power including diplomacy, propaganda and military force to win."
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well thanks, I'll return the favor sometime.
    You are welcome. I hope you will.

    Its ridiculousness to suggest you could lose, or win for that matter, a war which you don't engage in.
    Wars have many components. Some have very large components designed to influence the enemy populace. Islamism uses influence in a variety of ways. One is to frighten and intimidate its enemy. Beheadings and rapid successful attacks are useful tools for this. Another is to place agents of influence within the enemy's population. Today we have between 2.5 and 3 million Muslims living in the US. European countries have a larger percentages than we do. In addition they place front groups among us to use our laws against us. We have enemy lobbyist groups who influence our laws and our policy. We have Islamists who are part of the Islamofascist supporter's staff. They constantly, steadily work against us.

    They use the divides between us to drive additional wedges between us. We have some, like you and people who believe as you do, that find fault with us and not with our enemies. People like you are very useful to our enemies. You wittingly or unwittingly prepare us for our defeat. No matter how many times people like you are on the wrong side of history there will always be people like you to fulfil your role.

    In my opinion the goal of this long period leading up to the use of force is designed to convince us that the war cannot be won, that it is futile to try, and to prevent us from seizing the initiative. It is to prevent people like you, and those who believe as you do, from realizing that we are even in a war. As you can tell from the comments on this board our enemies are succeeding.

    It's also uneducated to call Obama the things you do.
    Has the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course done anything that would lead you to believe he is not supporting the Islamists? Has he asked the Congress for a declaration of war? Has he used our military might to obliterate the combatants we see? Has he used diplomacy to convince the sources of Islamist power that they had better stop? If not, why not?

    And of course the war isn't over, if it's that nebulous "war on terror" Bush started to which you refer. It has no end. And US policies have guaranteed that. It's job security for the defense contractors and our military, and CIA as well. I'm still surprised at the numbers of Americans scared of Muslims. All the government has to do is claim that their coming to get us, and people start quivering.
    This proves my earlier point. We no longer have strategists. The war on terror is misnamed. It should be a war on Islam. Islam is the problem so Islam must be eradicated as a political-religion. It is a war of Western civilization against 7th century barbarism. Today it is a war we are losing.
    Last edited by Misterveritis; 10-11-14 at 02:57 PM.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    If this is the case why arent these groups targeting places like switzerland and sweden? Its not the ideals of islam to wage war on everyone, but when multiple countries are constintaly bombing their countries and towns there going to be upset and want to fight back. The foreign policy of the united states is what started this whole mess to begin with. It's very obtvious, we arm regimes to take out countries, we pay for the overthrowing of leaders and nations. We wanted to go to war a year ago to take out assad, and now assad seems to be one of the few people that is actually fighting ISIS, so we arm rebels that are fighting ASSAD with millions of dollars in weapons! The united states and its major allies are the reason this group is conducting the business it is conducting. We need to leave them alone, we need to allow the good people of these countries to fight for themselves or itll be more and more money millions and millions of dollars more and more death. And the fact that conservatives actually believe we should spend time in there is just beyond ludacris to me, considering we can not even afford to pay for our veterans. Atleast a majority of people agree with me
    Your argument fails in that Islamist target isn't just Western Nations

    Islamist have also carried out attacks on strategic adversaries like Russia and China. France consistently argued against military action, but that hasn't stopped the violence that is occurring there. Indonesia had nothing to do with the Coalition of the Willing, didn't start the bombings there.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This proves my earlier point. We no longer have strategists. The war on terror is misnamed. It should be a war on Islam. Islam is the problem so Islam must be eradicated as a political-religion. It is a war of Western civilization against 7th century barbarism. Today it is a war we are losing.
    Do you have any idea the amount of resources it take take to carry out that idea? As big as a problem that Islam is, they aren't big enough to warranted the trillions that would have to be spent to turn the ME into a secular society. Until a WMD is used on an American target (or even a western European city), the strategy will continue to be containment.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    "This proves my earlier point. We no longer have strategists. The war on terror is misnamed. It should be a war on Islam. Islam is the problem so Islam must be eradicated as a political-religion. It is a war of Western civilization against 7th century barbarism. Today it is a war we are losing."
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Do you have any idea the amount of resources it take take to carry out that idea? As big as a problem that Islam is, they aren't big enough to warranted the trillions that would have to be spent to turn the ME into a secular society. Until a WMD is used on an American target (or even a western European city), the strategy will continue to be containment.
    How many resources did it take to defeat the scourge of soviet communism? Granted we did not complete the job. We left the communists in our country in the universities and in the environmental movement.

    It does require the desire to win and the effort to develop a long term strategy. If the cost is in trillions it will be over several generations. It could be borne by the simple, and necessary steps of reducing the size and scope of our present welfare state.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Terror? Begin with the right name for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "This proves my earlier point. We no longer have strategists. The war on terror is misnamed. It should be a war on Islam. Islam is the problem so Islam must be eradicated as a political-religion. It is a war of Western civilization against 7th century barbarism. Today it is a war we are losing."

    How many resources did it take to defeat the scourge of soviet communism? Granted we did not complete the job. We left the communists in our country in the universities and in the environmental movement.

    It does require the desire to win and the effort to develop a long term strategy. If the cost is in trillions it will be over several generations. It could be borne by the simple, and necessary steps of reducing the size and scope of our present welfare state.
    Unfortunately, there's something missing in the middle east that was present in Eastern Europe, and that is the desire for a free and secular society. We've seen what happens with Muslims in the ME when they get the chance to have elections (Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, etc.) What we had going for us was that there wasn't only the external forces the US was exerting, but also the Internal ones from those countries themselves. And as far as China is concerned, thy simply saw the light and realized which was the superior economic system. I doubt Muslims are going to be seeing the light in on Islam any time in 50 years or even a hundred.

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