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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If we don't want more airplanes flown into buildings or someone parking a suitcase nuke next to the White House, yes. Christians were bad enough with swords and spears, radical Muslim extremists can and will have access to modern weaponry and the will to use it.
    Ok, so if I understand you right so far, you acknowledge that years of bad US policy in the Middle East has given rise to terrorist groups generally and the Islamic State specifically, but you want the US to be the one to answer the call to defeat them?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, so if I understand you right so far, you acknowledge that years of bad US policy in the Middle East has given rise to terrorist groups generally and the Islamic State specifically, but you want the US to be the one to answer the call to defeat them?
    No, I want someone to and acknowledge that no other country on the planet is going to but us. Someone has to do something and they're not going to stop coming after us, just because we step aside.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, I want someone to and acknowledge that no other country on the planet is going to but us. Someone has to do something and they're not going to stop coming after us, just because we step aside.
    Ok, you've got me confused. Containment (by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad) worked well to suppress militant Islamic groups from gaining such ground and power. Largely due to US policy in the ME, these forces are gone. In fact, for decades, US policy has been support of militant Islamic groups for one excuse or another. At the same time, the leader of Al Qaeda and more recently as articulated in the Islamic State messages to us, it's not a mystery as to why they have issues with the US. Yet apparently you think that confronting them is what will make them "stop coming after us" (although they, IS anyway, haven't come after us) but George Bush confronted AQ, and rather then diminish them, they followed the US from A-Stan to Iraq and menaced us there for eight years. And, with all their branches and affiliates, they are arguably as strong, if not stronger after all our blood and treasure. The US is impotent to destroy the Islamic State, Obama's tough talk rhetoric aside. We need to get the hell out, and insist the Saudis and the Turks deal with this. And when the dust settles in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt, whatever authoritarian regimes end up in power, they will once again contain the extremists, and hopefully, gullible Americans won't again follow Washington in the charge of regime change!
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, you've got me confused. Containment (by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad) worked well to suppress militant Islamic groups from gaining such ground and power. Largely due to US policy in the ME, these forces are gone. In fact, for decades, US policy has been support of militant Islamic groups for one excuse or another. At the same time, the leader of Al Qaeda and more recently as articulated in the Islamic State messages to us, it's not a mystery as to why they have issues with the US. Yet apparently you think that confronting them is what will make them "stop coming after us" (although they, IS anyway, haven't come after us) but George Bush confronted AQ, and rather then diminish them, they followed the US from A-Stan to Iraq and menaced us there for eight years. And, with all their branches and affiliates, they are arguably as strong, if not stronger after all our blood and treasure. The US is impotent to destroy the Islamic State, Obama's tough talk rhetoric aside. We need to get the hell out, and insist the Saudis and the Turks deal with this. And when the dust settles in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt, whatever authoritarian regimes end up in power, they will once again contain the extremists, and hopefully, gullible Americans won't again follow Washington in the charge of regime change!
    But what we're seeing today didn't exist at that time. This isn't extremist terrorism like we saw with AQ, it's a different critter altogether. There's no way we can "insist" that anyone do anything, in fact, that's half the problem is that we've tried to tell the ME what to do and they resent us for it, now you want to tell the Saudis and Turkey to do our bidding? Haven't we learned our lesson? It just doesn't work. ISIL isn't something that can be contained, it's something that has to be wiped out. And besides, it isn't like Washington tells the American people what it's doing, we're always funding terrorists and rebels to take out regimes we don't like and it only comes out when someone gets caught.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But what we're seeing today didn't exist at that time. This isn't extremist terrorism like we saw with AQ, it's a different critter altogether. There's no way we can "insist" that anyone do anything, in fact, that's half the problem is that we've tried to tell the ME what to do and they resent us for it, now you want to tell the Saudis and Turkey to do our bidding? Haven't we learned our lesson? It just doesn't work. ISIL isn't something that can be contained, it's something that has to be wiped out. And besides, it isn't like Washington tells the American people what it's doing, we're always funding terrorists and rebels to take out regimes we don't like and it only comes out when someone gets caught.
    Oh no you don't man, this is not our bidding. This is on their borders, and is as such a threat to them and their problem. Oh, and Al Qaeda wasn't wiped out and this won't be either if it's the US tasked with the job. NO, not America, not again.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh no you don't man, this is not our bidding. This is on their borders, and is as such a threat to them and their problem. Oh, and Al Qaeda wasn't wiped out and this won't be either if it's the US tasked with the job. NO, not America, not again.
    We don't have the balls to do the job that needs to be done. The other countries don't have the balls to even make an attempt. Look at Turkey, they say they won't seriously do anything until ISIL wipes out the Kurds, which we won't allow to happen, then they'll only go after ISIL on their land, they don't care what happens outside of their borders. The whole ME is a mess and it's not going to get cleaned up if we just rely on the ME to police themselves.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We don't have the balls to do the job that needs to be done. The other countries don't have the balls to even make an attempt. Look at Turkey, they say they won't seriously do anything until ISIL wipes out the Kurds, which we won't allow to happen, then they'll only go after ISIL on their land, they don't care what happens outside of their borders. The whole ME is a mess and it's not going to get cleaned up if we just rely on the ME to police themselves.
    So what? It's in the ME! They have the means to deal with this, it's their problem.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So what? It's in the ME! They have the means to deal with this, it's their problem.
    But ISIL has the means and the will to attack us too, that makes it our problem as well. Just leaving them alone doesn't mean they'll leave us alone.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But ISIL has the means and the will to attack us too, that makes it our problem as well. Just leaving them alone doesn't mean they'll leave us alone.
    Yes, and Hussein had the means and the will to produce mushroom clouds over US cities, lol. Support sound policies in the Middle East to begin with, namely containment, and you won't be needing to feel scared. Statistically, you will die of a bee sting before a terrorist attack.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, and Hussein had the means and the will to produce mushroom clouds over US cities, lol. Support sound policies in the Middle East to begin with, namely containment, and you won't be needing to feel scared. Statistically, you will die of a bee sting before a terrorist attack.
    He never had either the means or the will, he never had nukes and he never attacked on U.S. soil. That can't be said for the current breed of terrorists and they're only getting more and more extreme. They've already attacked us once. You want to give them the opportunity to do it again?
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