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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, I guess your saying that we ****ed the ME up, so it falls on us to fix it. This is a problem for the powers surrounding the problematic State to deal with. They could crush the Islamic State if they see it as a problem.

    Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law (sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center.

    How is this in conflict with the Islamic State?
    So Isis's policies and practices of beheadings, suicide bombings, destruction of Iraqs and Syrias ancient history and zero tolerance of other religious faiths does not come into conflict with the moral sensebillitys of the Islamic world?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, I guess your saying that we ****ed the ME up, so it falls on us to fix it. This is a problem for the powers surrounding the problematic State to deal with. They could crush the Islamic State if they see it as a problem.

    Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law (sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center.

    How is this in conflict with the Islamic State?
    I don't even know that it can be fixed, the ME is pretty much what Europe was 500 years ago under Christianity. Many extremist Christians were every bit as violent and evil then as many extremist Muslims are today. It took secular society to neuter Christianity into the generally non-violent thing that it is today, it's going to take secular society to do the same thing to Islam in the ME. They don't have that today and that's the problem, they see outside influence from the West as dangerous to their absurd religious beliefs and they're absolutely right, but until they do get their violent religious impulses under control, and it isn't going to come from within, it has to be imposed on them, they will never be more than primitive societies ruled by their religious impulses. I think a lot of people in the West have misunderstood that, it's been so long since Christianity was that kind of a problem that they forget that religion, especially radicalized religion, is immune to reason. You can't talk to them. You can't negotiate with them. You can't compromise with them. The only option they have left is to kill them, but the more of them you kill, the more that you create.

    The real issue here is religion, not just Islam, but virtually all religion. Even fundamentalist Christians in America would jump at the chance to jihad if given a chance. It's part of extremist religion almost everywhere. They are just not permitted to do so by secular society which has all the power. They need that in the ME and they're terrified of it actually taking hold.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    So Isis's policies and practices of beheadings, suicide bombings, destruction of Iraqs and Syrias ancient history and zero tolerance of other religious faiths does not come into conflict with the moral sensebillitys of the Islamic world?
    Apparently, there isn't but a few women in the Peshmerga worried about the Islamic State enough to confront them.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't even know that it can be fixed, the ME is pretty much what Europe was 500 years ago under Christianity. Many extremist Christians were every bit as violent and evil then as many extremist Muslims are today. It took secular society to neuter Christianity into the generally non-violent thing that it is today, it's going to take secular society to do the same thing to Islam in the ME. They don't have that today and that's the problem, they see outside influence from the West as dangerous to their absurd religious beliefs and they're absolutely right, but until they do get their violent religious impulses under control, and it isn't going to come from within, it has to be imposed on them, they will never be more than primitive societies ruled by their religious impulses. I think a lot of people in the West have misunderstood that, it's been so long since Christianity was that kind of a problem that they forget that religion, especially radicalized religion, is immune to reason. You can't talk to them. You can't negotiate with them. You can't compromise with them. The only option they have left is to kill them, but the more of them you kill, the more that you create.

    The real issue here is religion, not just Islam, but virtually all religion. Even fundamentalist Christians in America would jump at the chance to jihad if given a chance. It's part of extremist religion almost everywhere. They are just not permitted to do so by secular society which has all the power. They need that in the ME and they're terrified of it actually taking hold.
    I agree with you.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apparently, there isn't but a few women in the Peshmerga worried about the Islamic State enough to confront them.
    You are incorrect sir. They have their own regiments... Take a look..

    Meet the female peshmerga forces fighting IS - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with you.
    Unfortunately, we can't just sit around and let the religious crazies go unaddressed, we have to do something, even if it will not ultimately solve the problem and we can't wait for someone else to take action because we all know they won't. The people in the ME who are most directly affected are also following the same religion as the extremists and Europe, which is the next stop for the global jihad are too liberal. They think they can solve the problem with kind words. They're wrong.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    You are incorrect sir. They have their own regiments... Take a look..

    Meet the female peshmerga forces fighting IS - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
    Jesus Christ dude! That's what I'm saying, women are fighting the Islamic State. But where's Saudi Arabia with the fourth largest military in the world, and Turkey, with NATO's second largest military? Why are the Peshmerga women about the only ones confronting the Islamic State?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unfortunately, we can't just sit around and let the religious crazies go unaddressed, we have to do something, even if it will not ultimately solve the problem and we can't wait for someone else to take action because we all know they won't. The people in the ME who are most directly affected are also following the same religion as the extremists and Europe, which is the next stop for the global jihad are too liberal. They think they can solve the problem with kind words. They're wrong.
    Containment worked fine, until those forces were removed. Are you arguing that the US needs to deal with this problem?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Containment worked fine, until those forces were removed. Are you arguing that the US needs to deal with this problem?
    If we don't want more airplanes flown into buildings or someone parking a suitcase nuke next to the White House, yes. Christians were bad enough with swords and spears, radical Muslim extremists can and will have access to modern weaponry and the will to use it.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Jesus Christ dude! That's what I'm saying, women are fighting the Islamic State. But where's Saudi Arabia with the fourth largest military in the world, and Turkey, with NATO's second largest military? Why are the Peshmerga women about the only ones confronting the Islamic State?
    I misunderstood your post.
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