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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    They're going nuclear very soon,
    No direct evidence of that.


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way and the more we meddle in their business, the more we push toward extremism. This is a mess that we could have fixed 30 years ago. I don't think we can fix it now.
    Yes, I know, I was being sardonical.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I understand mines not a popular view as far as some are concerned but i for one am grateful that not every single person living in a Muslim society has been turned to dust.

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    Reading comprehension issues? The subject is ISIS (note my reference to crazy Islamists), not every single person in a Muslim society. ISIS members are the terrorists. And yes, I would turn every single one of them into dust. In a heart beat. I'd take no prisoners. To me, if you're going to war, then kill your enemy.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Maybe, I'm too easy going when someone strongly voices exasperation. Maybe, others are more perfect of thought.
    No exasperation here. I am of perfectly sound mind, and sober of thought. I have no tolerance for terrorists, and if I had the choice, every single one of them would vanish. I hate war, and I hate violence, and I am almost always a pacifist when it comes to foreign actions. That being said, I am objective enough, and sober enough, to realize what it takes to eradicate a problem, and I am always up to the task, no matter how messy it is.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No direct evidence of that.
    Every country that has had the time, the technology and the will has gotten the bomb eventually. The fact that we've been able to keep them from going nuclear to this point is, frankly, nothing short of extraordinary, and for all our screwups I'm actually kind of amazed we've been so successful in that respect. And it's not just us saying "don't go nuclear or we'll hit you with a big stick" that's keeping them from acquiring the bomb, but for many of them it's the knowledge that us being there is keeping things from getting too crazy. If we picked up and left each leader would be uncomfortably aware that there is no larger power maintaining a semblance of balance (which if you'll notice isn't doing so well lately), and they'll do what they have to in order to protect themselves.

    Also, take note of Pakistan. We can not leave that region alone ever again. It is nuclear, the government is always fragile, and extreme elements could take over at any time (it was *this close* to being a failed state two years ago) and take control of its nuclear arsenal. So imagine Pakistan plus the Middle East, and that's our future.

    Final edit: Iran is nuclear, they just haven't weaponized their nuclear program. The only reason they haven't done so is because it is the end-all, be-all ace card for keeping us at the negotiating table.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Every country that has had the time, the technology and the will has gotten the bomb eventually. The fact that we've been able to keep them from going nuclear to this point is, frankly, nothing short of extraordinary, and for all our screwups I'm actually kind of amazed we've been so successful in that respect. And it's not just us saying "don't go nuclear or we'll hit you with a big stick" that's keeping them from acquiring the bomb, but for many of them it's the knowledge that us being there is keeping things from getting too crazy. If we picked up and left each leader would be uncomfortably aware that there is no larger power maintaining a semblance of balance (which if you'll notice isn't doing so well lately), and they'll do what they have to in order to protect themselves.
    Are you talking about Iran? If so, just come out and say it.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/wo...bomb.html?_r=0
    U.S. does not believe Iran is trying to build nuclear bomb - Los Angeles Times
    Clapper: Iran Still Not Building Nukes; Sanctions Intended to Foster Unrest Antiwar.com Blog
    'Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon' Israel News | Haaretz
    Also, take note of Pakistan. We can not leave that region alone ever again. It is nuclear, the government is always fragile, and extreme elements could take over at any time (it was *this close* to being a failed state two years ago) and take control of its nuclear arsenal. So imagine Pakistan plus the Middle East, and that's our future.
    Pakistan is worrysome, I agree. But then again there is little threat that Pakistani nuclear weapons will actually fall into the hands of terrorists. Sure parts of Pakistan are unstable, but then again 2014 report: Pakistan ‘most improved’ in nuclear security, India not so – The Express Tribune


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No exasperation here. I am of perfectly sound mind, and sober of thought. I have no tolerance for terrorists, and if I had the choice, every single one of them would vanish. I hate war, and I hate violence, and I am almost always a pacifist when it comes to foreign actions. That being said, I am objective enough, and sober enough, to realize what it takes to eradicate a problem, and I am always up to the task, no matter how messy it is.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    We need to pull out of the Middle East. We should just let them fight it out themselves. They have been fighting for thousands of years and will be fighting for another thousand years. We just have to let them know that if they mess with us on our own turf that we will be on them like gummies bears on a set of braces. I know it is not as simple as that, but it is their turf and their problem over there.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I have no clue how to end it, and I suspect nobody else does either. The entire Middle East is a powder keg of history, tribalism, religion, energy, economics, geopolitical influences, constantly shifting loyalties that the brightest and the best (which we've rarely ever had) would be hard put to make sense of. If we had become energy independent thirty years ago we might have been able to extricate ourselves and say "sayonara." But the region is going to go nuclear very soon, and with the rise of extremism that basically means we're stuck there forever, and nothing we do is going to eliminate terrorism.
    I agree that there are no easy answers to what's going on there. Sometimes I wonder if a pan-Arab state created after WWI would have been the best option for the Middle East, or if that too would eventually have blown up.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    You know, I must admit that it is kind of humorous to read the awesome display of naivete' in this thread.

    It is called a "War" on terror for a reason. I don't think there is a single sane person who seriously believes that there is a diplomatic solution to the Islamic terror threat. Diplomacy requires a negotiation, one in which both sides are interested in resolving the current dispute, and in order to do that, are willing to give up some of their ultimate goal in exchange for agreement. Islamic extremism has clearly demonstrated they are not interested in compromise.

    So, diplomacy is off the table.

    That leaves only two alternatives .. capitulate or conquer. It truly is no more difficult than that. Either they win, or we win. Anybody who believes there is some magical middle ground is seriously deluded. The opposition is not interested in middle ground.

    For purposes of this discussion, we'll assume capitulation is a non-starter. (Although, frankly, I am not convinced that is the case in Washington, DC these days).

    So, how do we conquer? Frankly, the military solution to winning the war is relatively easy. We turn loose the world's most powerful military with a mandate to take control of a strategically important area. We recognize that war is ugly, that people die, and that those deaths (whether they be our soldiers or theirs, whether they be our civilians or theirs) are a necessary price that must be paid for successful prosecution of the war.

    Then what? I remember two countries ... both of them, as a result of war, were put on a path to democracy. The path was ugly ... people tried to establish their own fiefdoms, people tried to assume command, both countries wrote constitutions that were thrown out and new documents created. Both countries, because of political expediency, were forced to create a whole addendum dedicated to restricting the power of the government. Both countries struggled for 10 years or more, and eventually, they both got it right.

    We have no desire to establish a 51st state in the Middle East. But, we need to recognize that, as the most powerful nation on earth, we have a responsibility to support establishment of a state/country that can further the goals of democracy. We need to provide the nascent country the security and protection necessary for their populace to learn, establish, and exercise those activities needed for self government. We need to ensure that the people have the knowledge, the ability, the opportunity and, most importantly, the time for self government. We have done it successfully in the past and we need to do it again.

    We were well on the way to this in Iraq - until we quit. We were moving in the right direction. Everybody complains about supporting Maliki ... we didn't support Maliki. We supported the government that the people of Iraq elected. We know it wasn't the final answer ... but then, democracy is ugly, convoluted, and difficult. We need to make a commitment to the people of this new country ... and we need to live up to it, no matter what. Help them to create a functioning government, a functioning economy. Help them to realize the gifts we were given...

    Besides, the first time the Iranians look over the fence and see all those big screen TVs and gallons of mayonnaise being carried out of the new Iraqi Walmart ... they will overthrow the government, and create their own new democracy!!!
    Last edited by GBFAN; 09-27-14 at 08:52 PM.
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