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Thread: How Do We End The War on Terror?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    True. Obama gave away a victory to appease his base. And because it mirrors his belief that we need to be taken down so we are just like all other nations.
    Forgive me, but that's just nonsense.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Your list of items are the target list for terrorists. In addition the people who help build these things also become targets. For your idea to work the people must be armed and trained.
    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. It is time to try something new. Take away the base that provides the human fodder for the growth of terrorism. Build schools, build wells for fresh water, pave roads, extend loans for businesses, and grow communities that see reasons to cooperate with the rest of the world instead of resisting it out of frustration and boredom while living in misery. I suppose that doing the same thing over and over again is easy for many Americans to argue in support of because they are not overseas to see the results of these actions. Living in a land protected by two large oceans, filled with plenty, gives way easily to such continued beliefs.

    Lend a hand in security, yes. But, lets halt those actions on our part that have over the years helped create these dangerous elements in the first place.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually, I don't think they said that, there are many administration officials false statements that received the committees criticism. And what's entertaining, I gave you the link that you could easily have found yourself which has all the information you want.
    I literally quoted your own link right back to you.

    Here are some other fun citations:

    ....Section II of the report discussed the handling of intelligence indicating that Iraq might be attempting to purchase uranium from Niger. The report examined the role played by former ambassador Joseph Wilson in investigating the issue, and the way Wilson's assessment was communicated within the intelligence community. It also discusses the process whereby references to Iraq's uranium-procurement efforts were removed from some speeches at the behest of intelligence officials, but left in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address. The report concludes that prior to October, 2002, it was reasonable for the intelligence community to assess Iraq may have been attempting to obtain uranium from Africa.....

    The report partially looks at the question of whether pressure was brought to bear on intelligence analysts to get them to shape their assessments to support particular policy objectives. It recounts how Sen. Roberts made repeated public calls for any analysts who believed they had been pressured to alter their assessments to speak with the Committee about their experiences. The Committee also attempted to identify and interview several individuals who had described such pressure in media reports and government documents. The report says that the Committee did not find any evidence that administration officials tried to pressure analysts to change their judgments...

    Several sections in the report examine topics relating to allegations of links between Iraq and terrorism. The Committee said that the intelligence community produced reasonable conclusions on this topic, although the Committee found gaps in the intelligence-gathering methods used... In terms of pressure on analysts, the Committee said that after 9/11, "analysts were under tremendous pressure to make correct assessments, to avoid missing a credible threat, and to avoid an intelligence failure on the scale of 9/11." The Committee concluded that this resulted in assessments that were "bold and assertive in pointing out potential terrorist links," and that this pressure was more the result of analysts' own desire to be as thorough as possible, than of any undue influence by the administration, for which the Committee said they found no evidence....

    The Republican and Democratic members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence voted unanimously to approve the finished report.
    That report being Phase 1. Then for Phase 2 of the Report, Democrats took over, having won control of the Senate in 2006. At which point they locked the minority out of the process and proceeded to drive a purely partisan effort.

    Page 161 of Phase II Report - Minority Views of Senator Chambliss, Vice Chairman Bond, and Senator Hatch

    ....The final two Phase II reports and the process that produced them are a great disappointment. The products are poor and the process that produced them was regrettable. Although the Minority requested to be involved in the production of these reports at the start of the 110th Congress, we were excluded from the drafting of these reports and deprived of any meaningful role in the work that produced them...

    Enjoy scrolling up through the proposed amendments. They pretty much go point by point with what you are quoting and destroy them with citation.

    So, IOW, when the process was actually Bi-Partisan, it decided unanimously that flawed intelligence and analysis - not administration deception - was responsible for flawed statements by senior policy makers.... unlike what you are claiming occurred. The section you are citing was strictly a partisan document.

    Again, let me know when you are willing to admit what the vote was on the bit you are citing and claiming is oh-so-bipartisan Democrats claiming that the mean ole Bush administration is just a bunch of liars in the middle of a Presidential election isn't exactly credible, but if it's what you need to depend on...

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    "True. Obama gave away a victory to appease his base. And because it mirrors his belief that we need to be taken down so we are just like all other nations."
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Forgive me, but that's just nonsense.
    I am generous. You are forgiven. Why, in your opinion, did he cut and run?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    "Your list of items are the target list for terrorists. In addition the people who help build these things also become targets. For your idea to work the people must be armed and trained."
    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. It is time to try something new. Take away the base that provides the human fodder for the growth of terrorism. Build schools, build wells for fresh water, pave roads, extend loans for businesses, and grow communities that see reasons to cooperate with the rest of the world instead of resisting it out of frustration and boredom while living in misery. I suppose that doing the same thing over and over again is easy for many Americans to argue in support of because they are not overseas to see the results of these actions. Living in a land protected by two large oceans, filled with plenty, gives way easily to such continued beliefs.

    Lend a hand in security, yes. But, lets halt those actions on our part that have over the years helped create these dangerous elements in the first place.
    Perhaps you should think just a bit more. We have many examples in history you could select. How has that worked before? If your approach works why hasn't it?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    True. Obama gave away a victory to appease his base. And because it mirrors his belief that we need to be taken down so we are just like all other nations.
    At any rate, US policy in the ME is FAILURE.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I literally quoted your own link right back to you.

    Here are some other fun citations:



    That report being Phase 1. Then for Phase 2 of the Report, Democrats took over, having won control of the Senate in 2006. At which point they locked the minority out of the process and proceeded to drive a purely partisan effort.

    Page 161 of Phase II Report - Minority Views of Senator Chambliss, Vice Chairman Bond, and Senator Hatch

    ....The final two Phase II reports and the process that produced them are a great disappointment. The products are poor and the process that produced them was regrettable. Although the Minority requested to be involved in the production of these reports at the start of the 110th Congress, we were excluded from the drafting of these reports and deprived of any meaningful role in the work that produced them...

    Enjoy scrolling up through the proposed amendments. They pretty much go point by point with what you are quoting and destroy them with citation.

    So, IOW, when the process was actually Bi-Partisan, it decided unanimously that flawed intelligence and analysis - not administration deception - was responsible for flawed statements by senior policy makers.... unlike what you are claiming occurred. The section you are citing was strictly a partisan document.

    Again, let me know when you are willing to admit what the vote was on the bit you are citing and claiming is oh-so-bipartisan Democrats claiming that the mean ole Bush administration is just a bunch of liars in the middle of a Presidential election isn't exactly credible, but if it's what you need to depend on...
    Read.

    Bush Did Lie About Iraq | Consortiumnews
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Last count I heard was 258 sorties over the past month. During Desert Storm we flee hundreds of sorties a day. We're nowhere close to unleashing hell.
    Im pretty sure the West would be willing to fly hundreds of sorties a day against ISIS if they had more targets so I dont think thats an issue. Unless you mean shooting anything that moves or putting boots on the ground, I dont see how the West could turn it up any more.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im pretty sure the West would be willing to fly hundreds of sorties a day against ISIS if they had more targets so I dont think thats an issue. Unless you mean shooting anything that moves or putting boots on the ground, I dont see how the West could turn it up any more.
    How many airstrikes have been launched agsinst ISIS forces attacking Kobani?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many airstrikes have been launched agsinst ISIS forces attacking Kobani?
    We should be asking that question elsewhere. On one side of the Islamic State is the worlds fourth largest army, on their other side is NATO's second largest army, neither of which have lifted very much at all. Together they could cause us to be asking, Islamic State! What Islamic State?

    But I suppose, any port in a storm when criticism of Obama is the objective.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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