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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    If the USA wants to continue interfering, then do so with the building of businesses, trade, and infrastructure. Take away the inclination to fight by giving people something that they do not want to lose in a bombardment. Building roads, drilling wells for fresh water, and paving roads throughout many areas of the developing world would be a good start to manifest a more cooperative world, and it costs a lot less than what we currently spend on our wars against terror.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not the same as the votes
    Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Come on dude. How many times have I posted that link???? Of course oil is the chief reason the US is in the ME. Now then, what I said was that George Bush did not include oil as one of his stated reasons for going to war in Iraq.

    But here, this ones even better.

    "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs."

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    Six Years Ago, Chuck Hagel Told the Truth About Iraq*|*Michael Moore
    Right, so many reasons US went to Iraq. So one can either postmodernly pick one, or holitically combine them all together.

    As far as I am concerned, US liberated Iraq from Saddam.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    I find it entertaining that you remain unwilling to cite the actual votes, and especially any changes to committee membership.

    From your link:

    ....The report's first conclusion points to widespread flaws in the October 2002 NIE, and attributes those flaws to failure by analysts in the intelligence community:

    Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community’s October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of the intelligence.

    Subsequent conclusions fault the intelligence community for failing to adequately explain to policymakers the uncertainties that underlay the NIE's conclusions, and for succumbing to "group think," in which the intelligence community adopted untested (and, in hindsight, unwarranted) assumptions about the extent of Iraq's WMD stockpiles and programs. The committee identified a failure to adequately supervise analysts and collectors, and a failure to develop human sources of intelligence (HUMINT) inside Iraq after the departure of international weapons inspectors in 1998. It also cited the post-9/11 environment as having led to an increase in the intensity with which policymakers review and question threat information....
    So yeah. Then Democrats took over in 2006 for "Phase Two" of the investigation and suddenly discovered in the middle of an election year that it was all Bush's fault all along.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Right, so many reasons US went to Iraq. So one can either postmodernly pick one, or holitically combine them all together.

    As far as I am concerned, US liberated Iraq from Saddam.
    And delivered them the Islamic State!
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I find it entertaining that you remain unwilling to cite the actual votes, and especially any changes to committee membership.

    From your link:



    So yeah. Then Democrats took over in 2006 for "Phase Two" of the investigation and suddenly discovered in the middle of an election year that it was all Bush's fault all along.
    Actually, I don't think they said that, there are many administration officials false statements that received the committees criticism. And what's entertaining, I gave you the link that you could easily have found yourself which has all the information you want. It is a long read, and it sorts through both democratic and republican objections to aspects of the report.

    From the governments web site on this, here are several examples of the committee spreading the blame around, and not placing it all on Bush as you no doubt sarcastically stated.

    The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include:

    Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.

    Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.

    Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.

    Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.

    The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.

    The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And delivered them the Islamic State!
    ISIS controls parts of Iraq and Syria. Their positions are challenged from the freaking entire world.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    To end the war on terror, we need to end political correctness. In our country we need to affirm that our constitutional form of government supersedes all cultural differences from abroad, translated sharia in any form is not welcome here.

    When we are faced with an attack on our interests abroad and need to defend ourselves we need to end the political correctness which hamstrings our military with rules of engagement that puts our soldiers in danger. If war is necessary we should fight to win at all costs, not fly over dropping occasional bombs on targets limited by our ability to collect real time intelligence.

    We should be true friends with our allies and clearly let our enemies know that there will be serious repercussions for those who seek to harm us.

    We should understand that leading from behind is what they do in a parade to the guy with the bucket and the shovel whose job it is to scrape horse **** off the road.

    There isn't much we can do to stop islamists who believe that they can change the world to Islamic rule. The battle ground is really in Europe where people can be transported by car and enter western Europe through Turkey which was admitted to the EU. When and if Europe recognizes Islamic law or recognizes Islamic customs the world is in serious trouble.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    If the USA wants to continue interfering, then do so with the building of businesses, trade, and infrastructure. Take away the inclination to fight by giving people something that they do not want to lose in a bombardment. Building roads, drilling wells for fresh water, and paving roads throughout many areas of the developing world would be a good start to manifest a more cooperative world, and it costs a lot less than what we currently spend on our wars against terror.
    Your list of items are the target list for terrorists. In addition the people who help build these things also become targets. For your idea to work the people must be armed and trained.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And delivered them the Islamic State!
    True. Obama gave away a victory to appease his base. And because it mirrors his belief that we need to be taken down so we are just like all other nations.

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