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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    He was bad, but he wasn't worse than many other dictators in power in 2003 and it was, and is, impractical and futile to get rid of every evil dictator.
    Is your position that of promoting pro-dictatorship?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Wish it were that easy.
    Who said it was gona be easy?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said it was gona be easy?
    Endless war is never easy. In fact its downright impossible to win it...

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    He was bad, but he wasn't worse than many other dictators in power in 2003 and it was, and is, impractical and futile to get rid of every evil dictator.
    True. And his removal has unleashed something far more threatening then Saddam was. I can't think of anybody that has stated "Saddam was not so bad", that's a straw man. I heard a one time ardent supporter of the Iraq war, Michael Smerconish state a couple wekas ago that if he could magically put Saddam Hussein back in Iraq, he would. And of course, polling indicates a growing number of Americans who now believe that the Iraq war and his removal was a mistake. Supporting the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt was also a mistake as well as using Al Qaeda to help topple Gaddafi, as clearly evidenced by the chaos and loss of productivity in Libya. And then there's the equally foolish policy, that predates Obama btw, of regime change in Syria, with support of the MB, AQ, al Nusra infested FSA, which has so weakened president Assad as to create an atmosphere beneficial to all manor of militant Islamists and namely the rise of the Islamic State. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, all far less than ideal leaders, did a far better job at containment of militant Islamic groups then any US policy has done, as only the blind, or patronizing of US policy would fail to recognize.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Is your position that of promoting pro-dictatorship?
    I wouldn't use the word promoting, that would be something the US government has done the world over throughout the last century, when that was in favor of "US INTERESTS"

    Over the last century, the United States government has often provided, and continues to provide today, financial assistance, arms, and technical support to numerous authoritarian regimes across the world. A variety of reasons have been provided to justify the apparent contradictions between support for dictators and the democratic ideals expressed in the American constitution.[1]

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...tarian_regimes

    And, there was a time, not too distant now, when Saddam Hussein himself was one such beneficiary!! Then, when it was no longer in the US's interest to do so, then suddenly the handwringing began over Saddam's humanitarian failures and it was time to demonize him, exploit his both real and imagined crimes and threats, and to even fabricate lies about him (such as his ability to create mushroom clouds over US cities, viles of anthrax, and mobile WMD delivery systems) so as to frighten and gain support of the American people for a war that they now recognize as a mistake.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161399/10...r-mistake.aspx
    Last edited by Montecresto; 10-06-14 at 04:23 AM.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who said it was gona be easy?
    Okay, but why stop only at one religion? Why not eliminate them all then?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I wouldn't use the word promoting, that would be something the US government has done the world over throughout the last century, when that was in favor of "US INTERESTS"

    Over the last century, the United States government has often provided, and continues to provide today, financial assistance, arms, and technical support to numerous authoritarian regimes across the world. A variety of reasons have been provided to justify the apparent contradictions between support for dictators and the democratic ideals expressed in the American constitution.[1]

    United States support of authoritarian regimes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And, there was a time, not too distant now, when Saddam Hussein himself was one such beneficiary!! Then, when it was no longer in the US's interest to do so, then suddenly the handwringing began over Saddam's humanitarian failures and it was time to demonize him, exploit his both real and imagined crimes and threats, and to even fabricate lies about him (such as his ability to create mushroom clouds over US cities, viles of anthrax, and mobile WMD delivery systems) so as to frighten and gain support of the American people for a war that they now recognize as a mistake.

    On 10th Anniversary, 53% in U.S. See Iraq War as Mistake
    Message of the story: Dictators never win. Do not become one.

    Also, Weaky-pedia? Please, add some respect to our conversations.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Message of the story: Dictators never win. Do not become one.

    Also, Weaky-pedia? Please, add some respect to our conversations.
    OMG, DDD talking about respect!! So really, REALLY, are you denying that the US has and does prop up dictators when it suits "US interests"?????

    What other dictators does the U.S. support?
    Aside from Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, here are the other most controversial leaders propped up by the U.S.
    http://www.salon.com/2011/02/02/amer...ies_dictators/

    5 dictators the U.S. still supports
    http://theweek.com/article/index/211...still-supports

    Exporting Tyranny through Foreign Aid
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...h-foreign-aid/

    US: Support for Latin American dictators
    http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/us_supp...ators8303.html

    Apartheid and Genocide: US Supports Kagame Dictatorship and Political Oppression in Rwanda
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/aparthe...rwanda/5397331

    The U.S. is supporting oppression in Egypt
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...e03_story.html

    Accusations and criticisms of cheap labor, resource exploitation and democracy stifling have been directed at outsiders such as the United States for various reasons, including:

    Support for dictators in recent decades;
    Hostility towards the (former) democratically elected president;
    Various interests of big U.S. companies.
    http://www.globalissues.org/article/141/haiti

    Control of Resources; Supporting Dictators, Rise of Terrorism
    http://www.globalissues.org/article/...e-of-terrorism

    A Reminder: Mubarak Isn't the Only U.S.-Backed Dictator
    http://www.thewire.com/global/2011/0...ictator/21262/

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82588

    Rethinking U.S. Relations With Dictators
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel...b_1952077.html
    Last edited by Montecresto; 10-06-14 at 05:50 AM.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    OMG, DDD talking about respect!! So really, REALLY, are you denying that the US has and does prop up dictators when it suits "US interests"?????

    What other dictators does the U.S. support?
    Aside from Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, here are the other most controversial leaders propped up by the U.S.
    What other dictators does the U.S. support? - Salon.com

    5 dictators the U.S. still supports
    5 dictators the U.S. still supports - The Week

    Exporting Tyranny through Foreign Aid
    Exporting Tyranny through Foreign Aid | The American Conservative

    US: Support for Latin American dictators
    US: Support for Latin American dictators

    Apartheid and Genocide: US Supports Kagame Dictatorship and Political Oppression in Rwanda
    Apartheid and Genocide: US Supports Kagame Dictatorship and Political Oppression in Rwanda | Global Research

    The U.S. is supporting oppression in Egypt
    The U.S. is supporting oppression in Egypt - The Washington Post

    Accusations and criticisms of cheap labor, resource exploitation and democracy stifling have been directed at outsiders such as the United States for various reasons, including:

    Support for dictators in recent decades;
    Hostility towards the (former) democratically elected president;
    Various interests of big U.S. companies.
    Haiti

    Control of Resources; Supporting Dictators, Rise of Terrorism
    Control of Resources; Supporting Dictators, Rise of Terrorism

    A Reminder: Mubarak Isn't the Only U.S.-Backed Dictator
    A Reminder: Mubarak Isn't the Only U.S.-Backed Dictator - The Wire

    CIA Admits Involvement in Chile - ABC News

    Rethinking U.S. Relations With Dictators
    Rethinking U.S. Relations With Dictators*|*Daniel Calingaert
    Thank you Monte,

    I think that the tight dictating power of a dictator mirrors the tight foreign power enforced upon them. The more the people distance themselves from the dictator the less the dictator has their support to counter such forceful influences. Eventually the majority may want the dictator gone.

    At such point we as "heroes" step in and eliminate the cruel dictator. Hence, being a dictator never pays off. It is a lose or eventually lose situation.
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