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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The flaw in that argument is that the USA did not take action when Hussein was committing genocide. By the time we attacked Iraq in 2003 his bad acts were nowhere near that threshold.
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    US actions against Saddam began no later than 1984 and increased in response to Saddam's genocide. Preventing further genocide was the reason for the no-fly zone (which Saddam fired on). Learn some history.

    Regarding Saddam's actions just before the invasion, Tony Blair claimed, in accordance with studies at the time, that Saddam intentionally starved 400k children between 2000-2003. The studies were based on proceeds from the food-for-oil program that Saddam had sold in other countries to fund his rape palaces. The number of deaths is estimated by the quantity of that food discovered elsewhere.

    Additionally he continued to institutionalize rape, violate unscrs and he intentionally maintained a fake wmd program (to keep Iran ay bay, whom he feared more than the UN).



    At least have some clue what you're talking about, mkay?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Iran

    US actions against Saddam began no later than 1984 and increased in response to Saddam's genocide. Preventing further genocide was the reason for the no-fly zone (which Saddam fired on). Learn some history.

    Regarding Saddam's actions just before the invasion, Tony Blair claimed, in accordance with studies at the time, that Saddam intentionally starved 400k children between 2000-2003. The studies were based on proceeds from the food-for-oil program that Saddam had sold in other countries to fund his rape palaces. The number of deaths is estimated by the quantity of that food discovered elsewhere.

    Additionally he continued to institutionalize rape, violate unscrs and he intentionally maintained a fake wmd program (to keep Iran ay bay, whom he feared more than the UN).



    At least have some clue what you're talking about, mkay?
    Blair has little credibility with me, the only evidence you or others have cited are based "on proceeds from the food-for-oil program that Saddam had sold" which is not solid evidence. Saddam said he did not have WMDs and none were found, there was no violation in that area. That would have been established without a war if Bush did not remove the inspectors so he could start bombing the country. It is not a crime to give your enemy the impression that you might have weapons. And the bottom line is that the people of Iraq and the region are in a worse situation now than they were before we invaded and occupied.

    The question that should be asked is not whether a violent dictator is beneficial or acceptable, it is whether we are likely to improve an unbearable situation (ie. genocide) with military action. When the military action is massive bombing, invasion and occupation, history shows that it is unlikely to improve the situation.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Blair has little credibility with me,
    I didn't think he did, I'm just honest. I would certainly put him above Alex Jones, though. The position of "Saddam was not so bad" is founded in ignorance and excusing genocide. Good day.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't think he did, I'm just honest. I would certainly put him above Alex Jones, though. The position of "Saddam was not so bad" is founded in ignorance and excusing genocide. Good day.
    He was bad, but he wasn't worse than many other dictators in power in 2003 and it was, and is, impractical and futile to get rid of every evil dictator.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    He was bad, but he wasn't worse than many other dictators in power in 2003 and it was, and is, impractical and futile to get rid of every evil dictator.
    Do you understand the term 'institutionalized rape'? And priorities are part of life, if you don't understand the concept it's a wonder how even basic functioning is possible.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    Destroy the islamists...war over.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Destroy the islamists...war over.
    Gosh; ya'know, I think that something like that was tried already.... wait - don't tell me! I, I - think there was some sort of an event that surrounded it at the time... was it, yes; I believe it was world war two... I'll have to check on that.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Gosh; ya'know, I think that something like that was tried already.... wait - don't tell me! I, I - think there was some sort of an event that surrounded it at the time... was it, yes; I believe it was world war two... I'll have to check on that.
    It was? When?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The problem is an unwillingness to all Islamofacist terrorism what it is. The problem is an unwillingness to identify it, label it, marginalize it, and attack it with ALL resources at our disposal out of some misguided, mushy-headed, knee jerk concepts of political correctness.
    I disagree that we are unwilling to identify, label, marginalize, and attack terrorists. See what happened to ISIS for instance.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Destroy the islamists...war over.
    Wish it were that easy.
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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