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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?
    It's like (I believe someone else mentioned it earlier) a War on Crime. Terrorism isn't something that can be defeated, but everyone has a vested interest in stopping it. That's going to require an international commitment, with cooperation between local actors and foreign powers.

    As to how the United States should handle terrorism, it's been doing a decent job so far. We could have helped to design a better (read: more decentralized) Afghan government, but so long as we maintain an airbase there that we'll use on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, we can help preserve its stability and prevent al-Qaeda from gaining another foothold. Airstrikes should be conducted on al-Qaeda terrorist cells in Yemen, Somalia, and other places, since they pose the greatest threat to America. Our current plan against ISIS - where we build a coalition of Middle Eastern forces to fight terrorism and then provide what they can't - works because it assigns the greatest responsibility to regional forces while still accomplishing our interests.

    Most importantly, the root cause of terrorism is sectarian regimes and dictatorships. The policies of leaders like Assad and Gaddafi serve to inflame sectarian strife and thus provide breeding grounds for extremists. Therefore, undermining such regimes will advance the interests of counter-terrorism in the long run.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    It's like (I believe someone else mentioned it earlier) a War on Crime. Terrorism isn't something that can be defeated, but everyone has a vested interest in stopping it. That's going to require an international commitment, with cooperation between local actors and foreign powers.

    As to how the United States should handle terrorism, it's been doing a decent job so far. We could have helped to design a better (read: more decentralized) Afghan government, but so long as we maintain an airbase there that we'll use on al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, we can help preserve its stability and prevent al-Qaeda from gaining another foothold. Airstrikes should be conducted on al-Qaeda terrorist cells in Yemen, Somalia, and other places, since they pose the greatest threat to America. Our current plan against ISIS - where we build a coalition of Middle Eastern forces to fight terrorism and then provide what they can't - works because it assigns the greatest responsibility to regional forces while still accomplishing our interests.

    Most importantly, the root cause of terrorism is sectarian regimes and dictatorships. The policies of leaders like Assad and Gaddafi serve to inflame sectarian strife and thus provide breeding grounds for extremists. Therefore, undermining such regimes will advance the interests of counter-terrorism in the long run.


    I see what you mean about that no-good Qaddaffi. He gave Libyans free food, free housing, free education through University and free energy and water and pretty much spoiled those bastards so bad that the current instability/chaos/death brought upon Libya is something those confounded Libyans should be thanking us for, eh? A well-run, well-oiled insurrection by the CIA and its colored flag operation, a/k/a false flag. Why haven't I seen those thankless Libyans lining up to kiss Obama's ring for helping them out?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I see what you mean about that no-good Qaddaffi. He gave Libyans free food, free housing, free education through University and free energy and water and pretty much spoiled those bastards so bad that the current instability/chaos/death brought upon Libya is something those confounded Libyans should be thanking us for, eh? A well-run, well-oiled insurrection by the CIA and its colored flag operation, a/k/a false flag. Why haven't I seen those thankless Libyans lining up to kiss Obama's ring for helping them out?
    Yup. Libya was a paradise under Gaddafi. There was no reason whatsoever for anyone to do anything short of worshiping Gaddafi. Those goddamn CIA-backed protestors deserved to be shot in the streets and tortured.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    First off, you cant have war on a tactic.
    Second off, we need to stop medling in other countries businesses, we need to stop supporting regimes that support terrorism, and the US government also needs to stop supporting terrorist groups either directly, and stop doing actions that create more terrorists.


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

    (And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)
    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I understand mines not a popular view as far as some are concerned but i for one am grateful that not every single person living in a Muslim society has been turned to dust.

    Genocide is disgusting and anyone who advocates it is just as bat **** crazy as the bastards cutting of peoples heads right now.
    Maybe, I'm too easy going when someone strongly voices exasperation. Maybe, others are more perfect of thought.

    She did say "[U]we can't [/U]turn them into dust".

    She did offer a fix; while overstated it would accomplish a desired end with selective application.

    In general, people are too quick to condemn and the ensuing "feeding frenzy" does nothing but serve as a distraction from real problems; two of them being:

    1) The leadership and feckless foreign policy of the U.S.A which then creates

    2) It's now untenable position as a world leader; which creates a political void that can/will be filled by something less desirable or not. It's a crap shoot.

    Which then creates, which then creates, which then creates.............

    I can actually understand the posted frustration and there may be many who think "it's too damned bad we can't.........."

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    This isn't a problem that can be solved. Decades ago, I might have said pulling out of the Middle East and allowing them to control their own destiny might have been enough, but the west has forced generations of Muslims to become radicalized, to the point that even if we pulled out completely tomorrow, they'd still hate us and still want to kill us. Lizzie said that we need to turn them to dust and, unfortunately, that's probably closer to the truth. Not for all Muslims, of course, just for the extremists, but in so doing, you'll just radicalize even more of them. I think we've passed the point of no return, where no matter what we do, we lose and we don't have the balls to do what has to be done to actually solve the problem.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    I have no clue how to end it, and I suspect nobody else does either. The entire Middle East is a powder keg of history, tribalism, religion, energy, economics, geopolitical influences, constantly shifting loyalties that the brightest and the best (which we've rarely ever had) would be hard put to make sense of. If we had become energy independent thirty years ago we might have been able to extricate ourselves and say "sayonara." But the region is going to go nuclear very soon, and with the rise of extremism that basically means we're stuck there forever, and nothing we do is going to eliminate terrorism.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    First off, you cant have war on a tactic.
    Second off, we need to stop medling in other countries businesses, we need to stop supporting regimes that support terrorism, and the US government also needs to stop supporting terrorist groups either directly, and stop doing actions that create more terrorists.
    They're going nuclear very soon, which means we have to do what we can to make sure the craziest elements don't end up controlling the entire region. You can certainly say "Well I don't like that," to which I would respond, "What's there to like?"

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    This isn't a problem that can be solved. Decades ago, I might have said pulling out of the Middle East and allowing them to control their own destiny might have been enough, but the west has forced generations of Muslims to become radicalized, to the point that even if we pulled out completely tomorrow, they'd still hate us and still want to kill us. Lizzie said that we need to turn them to dust and, unfortunately, that's probably closer to the truth.
    Not for all Muslims, of course, just for the extremists
    , but in so doing, you'll just radicalize even more of them. I think we've passed the point of no return, where no matter what we do, we lose and we don't have the balls to do what has to be done to actually solve the problem.
    Now if we could just develop a cruise missile that only targeted extremists we'd be all set.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Now if we could just develop a cruise missile that only targeted extremists we'd be all set.
    Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way and the more we meddle in their business, the more we push toward extremism. This is a mess that we could have fixed 30 years ago. I don't think we can fix it now.
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