View Poll Results: What Should We Do To End The Terror War?

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  • The West needs to change their foreign policy. Stop meddling in other countries.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I'm not buying it. We have been pumping billions of dollars into these nations producing terrorists with little or no positive effect whatsoever. Homegrown terrorists who are being radicalized here and in other developed countries have all the benefits of citizenship and most have had had good paying jobs and plenty of advantages and opportunity when they were recruited. Islamofacist terrorism is not a matter of economics anywhere that it is occurring. It is a matter of ideology, of evil fanaticism, and infused hatred of everything we people who value self-determination and individual liberty believe and stand for. There is no way to persuade such people with kindness, and when we try we are seen as weak and stupid.
    True.

    But the problem is overgeneralization.

    There are countries whom are shallow Muslim countries. Countries that prioritize national values over Muslim values. Further, the overgeneralization may cost punishing decent people on the individual level. My point is that when this is done it may increase terrorist recruitment.

    Your position is that being cautious in dividing the wolves from the normal people may too be perceived as a weakness. That the normal people may turn wolves and use this weakness to attack and hide behind an "ordinary civilian" camo (if you will).

    So to summarize, it seems the problem is between overgeneralization and identification. We do not want punishing normal people and we cannot differentiate and identify the culprit between them at the moment. Not until they perform their terrorist acts at least.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    I voted that we need to stop meddling in other nations business. I don't think that we will ever end terrorism even if we do stop now. Unfortuanately there is probably only one way to end it and it's doubtful that would end it for good. I'd like to see all the money we are sending to the area stopped. None should be going because we are funding these terrorist ourselves. Pull out all the troops and leave them alone. Let them kill each other if they want. Not really any of our business.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?

    None of these options will work because presently oil is so vital to our economy and the world's economy. As long as oil continues to be a high dollar value commodity, the terrorists will get high dollars to carry out terror against us and our interests. This is true whether or not we're their customers directly, we're their customers indirectly or we use only domestic oil and they get their money from China and Russia. Either way, they remain fully funded until oil is no longer the high value commodity it is now. If we choose to kill our way out of it, Al Jazeera Middle East (totally different content that what they carry in the US) will report bodies in streets and it will only motivate and serve as a recruiting aid to the next generation of terrorists. Besides, drone aircraft, F-18 sorties and tomahawk cruise missiles aren't cheap. The only permanent solution IMHO getting behind electric cars like its a national security emergency and get over half the population's disdain for the environmentalists as if global warming is the only if you believe it is the justification to get off of petroleum.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    If you want to win a war against terrorist, you better learn how to and be willing to fight like one. In the war we're waging now, we aren't fighting to win but fighting not to lose. There is a difference.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    This is a great idea. If there is one thing we learned during the 90s, it is that ignoring these problems makes them go away.



    We've been saying for some time now that this is going to be a generational struggle. Why do people honestly have difficulty internalizing that?



    America in 1960: Gosh, We've been facing off against Communism for 13 years now, and more countries are Communist now than when we started! We should throw in the towel because clearly we are creating communism!




    Anyone want to see what the awesome results of the isolationist foreign policy are? Take a good hard look at Syria 2009- early 2014. That's what the Middle East looks like without the US. Yeah. It's friggin great.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative65 View Post
    If you want to win a war against terrorist, you better learn how to and be willing to fight like one.
    That is an incorrect description of proper counterinsurgency.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is an incorrect description of proper counterinsurgency.
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    Seems you believe that taking a knife to a gun fight will be in the favor of the knife holder.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    True.

    But the problem is overgeneralization.

    There are countries whom are shallow Muslim countries. Countries that prioritize national values over Muslim values. Further, the overgeneralization may cost punishing decent people on the individual level. My point is that when this is done it may increase terrorist recruitment.

    Your position is that being cautious in dividing the wolves from the normal people may too be perceived as a weakness. That the normal people may turn wolves and use this weakness to attack and hide behind an "ordinary civilian" camo (if you will).

    So to summarize, it seems the problem is between overgeneralization and identification. We do not want punishing normal people and we cannot differentiate and identify the culprit between them at the moment. Not until they perform their terrorist acts at least.

    Kinda makes you wish you had a mind reading device, does it not?
    The problem is an unwillingness to all Islamofacist terrorism what it is. The problem is an unwillingness to identify it, label it, marginalize it, and attack it with ALL resources at our disposal out of some misguided, mushy-headed, knee jerk concepts of political correctness.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?


    Islamic terror is being home grown now over the internet in in the mosques currently spewing that line of the ideology.

    We needn't travel to find it.

    It has traveled to find us.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Point being, Saddam's genocide, invasions, institutionalized rape and intentional starvation were not any else's fault and those horrible things are -in fact- the major driver in the struggles of Iraq today.

    Your whole "blame the US" narrative is a load of crap and it excuses genocide; it's disgusting and pathetic not just because it represents anti-country propaganda but because it pretends some of the most horrible atrocities known to mankind are justifiable, even effective, and not significantly harmful to a nation.

    At the heart of "Saddam was not so bad" is "genocide is sometimes okay".
    The flaw in that argument is that the USA did not take action when Hussein was committing genocide. By the time we attacked Iraq in 2003 his bad acts were nowhere near that threshold.

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