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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Leave other countries alone.

    Stop supporting corrupt governments.
    That sounds good, but it's hardly a realistic strategy. We involve ourselves in the affairs of others because we are immensely interconnected and because of ethical or moral callings. EIther camp people belong in, the live and let live crowd are a tiny minority. In terms of stop supporting corrupt governments, that is largely unworkable. To further themselves, each State makes dealings with those they aren't particularly fond of, but nevertheless gain from. That's just foreign affairs.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't think one has to do with the other?

    Are you advocating genocide, institutionalized rape and mass intentional starvation as an effective form of government?
    I am not, but there are international organizations that are in charge of that, not the United States. And I am certain that the only link between the two is that the United States inserted itself into the middle of it.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I am not, but there are international organizations that are in charge of that, not the United States. And I am certain that the only link between the two is that the United States inserted itself into the middle of it.
    Point being, Saddam's genocide, invasions, institutionalized rape and intentional starvation were not any else's fault and those horrible things are -in fact- the major driver in the struggles of Iraq today.

    Your whole "blame the US" narrative is a load of crap and it excuses genocide; it's disgusting and pathetic not just because it represents anti-country propaganda but because it pretends some of the most horrible atrocities known to mankind are justifiable, even effective, and not significantly harmful to a nation.

    At the heart of "Saddam was not so bad" is "genocide is sometimes okay".
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Point being, Saddam's genocide, invasions, institutionalized rape and intentional starvation were not any else's fault and those horrible things are -in fact- the major driver in the struggles of Iraq today.

    Your whole "blame the US" narrative is a load of crap and it excuses genocide; it's disgusting and pathetic not just because it represents anti-country propaganda but because it pretends some of the most horrible atrocities known to mankind are justifiable, even effective, and not significantly harmful to a nation.

    At the heart of "Saddam was not so bad" is "genocide is sometimes okay".
    What is the point of international governing bodies to protect human rights if the US bypasses them? Also, why are you not supporting the people of Algeria, Brazil, Burundi, Colombia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Liberia, Nigeria, Congo, Russia, Uganda and China. There are all examples of human rights violations there. If the US hopped in everywhere that there is a wrong we will find ourselves in a state of perpetual war.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    What is the point of international governing bodies to protect human rights if the US bypasses them? Also, why are you not supporting the people of Algeria, Brazil, Burundi, Colombia, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Liberia, Nigeria, Congo, Russia, Uganda and China. There are all examples of human rights violations there. If the US hopped in everywhere that there is a wrong we will find ourselves in a state of perpetual war.
    When you're ready to consider context and priorities, perhaps you'll understand why the world is not perfect (and the US) and the US cannot do everything at the same time.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    Making sincere efforts to encourage human rights in the Middle East while strengthening their middle class will undercut the base for terrorism until it's just about gone altogether.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    When you're ready to consider context and priorities, perhaps you'll understand why the world is not perfect (and the US) and the US cannot do everything at the same time.
    I think you just proved my point.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't think the casualties affect recruitment because the Islamic terrorist cares nothing at all about and puts no value whatsoever on human life. Look at their tactics--Hamas, Hezbollah, and all the others deliberately and with forethought place their weaponry in the midst of residential neighborhoods where return fire will be highly likely to inflict civilian casualties--especially women and kids and old people that will tug at the heartstrings of the weak and stupid people of the west who will then turn on their own to stop firing at the terrorists. They force women and children to come into close proximity of their missile launchers and often prevent them from leaving the area. To die for the glory of Allah is a wonderful thing and something all good Muslims should be willing to do. Further they launch their rockets into residential neighborhoods hoping to injure, maim, or kill women, children, old people--anybody.
    All these measures increase civilian casualties and recruitment.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    They send their suicide bombers onto crowded busses or markets or other venues where they can hope to kill and maim many. They do not differentiate between civilian and military.
    Yes, terrorists (and Serbs during 1990's wars) do such things. Further they may make us war criminals also.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    We err terribly when we think the terrorists feel the same as we do. When we think that they think as we do. When we trust them to have reasonable goals as we do. Religious fanaticism is a terrible thing, and Islam is rampant with it despite the millions of truly nice, pleasant, lovable people who also embrace it. But the faith itself prevents those nice, pleasant, lovable people from going against their Imans/leaders or to publically protest their activities. To underestimate our enemy or to sugar coat him out of some warped sense of political correctness is to give him license, encouragement, and ability to wreck much more havoc upon us. They are not impressed with our education and they laugh at us when we are gullible enough to give them food, supplies, money and ability to acquire more weapons to use against us.
    The problem is stated. The solution is two fold: a) Force, and b) providing alternative means to civilians to earn an income so as they would not be recruited to join these terrorist thugs.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    All these measures increase civilian casualties and recruitment.



    Yes, terrorists (and Serbs during 1990's wars) do such things. Further they may make us war criminals also.



    The problem is stated. The solution is two fold: a) Force, and b) providing alternative means to civilians to earn an income so as they would not be recruited to join these terrorist thugs.
    I'm not buying it. We have been pumping billions of dollars into these nations producing terrorists with little or no positive effect whatsoever. Homegrown terrorists who are being radicalized here and in other developed countries have all the benefits of citizenship and most have had had good paying jobs and plenty of advantages and opportunity when they were recruited. Islamofacist terrorism is not a matter of economics anywhere that it is occurring. It is a matter of ideology, of evil fanaticism, and infused hatred of everything we people who value self-determination and individual liberty believe and stand for. There is no way to persuade such people with kindness, and when we try we are seen as weak and stupid.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I think you just proved my point.
    You believe "not perfect" = "hypocrite"?

    Nonsense.

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