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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, all our involvement in the ME revolves around securing the free flow of oil, whatever it's destination. Something like 35% of all oil flows through the SOH, and we have plenty of bases to protect that straight, and keep Iran (or anyone else for that matter) from blocking it. And that oil that flows out of there is destined for ports around the world! US officials have been candid about the reason were fighting in the ME.In fact, Chuck Hagel was a tad condescending toward people who have yet to figure that out.

    People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs.
    There's a difference between securing our current partners in the ME, like Saudi Arabia, and going to war to acquire more oil. It's true that in the first Gulf War, we were very much worried about the possibility of Hussein in charge of the majority of the world's oil reserves. However, if the only reason we went into Iraq was to acquire more oil, we'd be pulling more than 10 or 11%, especially if it's true that their just a lackey for the the US.... which again their not. At the moment though, our current interest in the ME has more to do with the fact that their are a bunch of lunatics running around that given the chance would chop our heads off. That is what Syria is about.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    There's a difference between securing our current partners in the ME, like Saudi Arabia, and going to war to acquire more oil. It's true that in the first Gulf War, we were very much worried about the possibility of Hussein in charge of the majority of the world's oil reserves. However, if the only reason we went into Iraq was to acquire more oil, we'd be pulling more than 10 or 11%, especially if it's true that their just a lackey for the the US.... which again their not. At the moment though, our current interest in the ME has more to do with the fact that their are a bunch of lunatics running around that given the chance would chop our heads off. That is what Syria is about.
    Sure, back peddle that one back to the barn door. We are in the ME because there's OIL in the ME. And, the perpetual war we're fighting has lucrative side benefits for big business and all those defense contractors.

    Here, try arguing with the Cato Institute,

    Background: Oil

    If the chief natural resource of the Middle East were bananas, the region would not have attracted the attention of U.S. policymakers as it has for decades. Americans became interested in the oil riches of the region in the 1920s, and two U.S. companies, Standard Oil of California and Texaco, won the first concession to explore for oil in Saudi Arabia in the 1930s. They discovered oil there in 1938, just after Standard Oil of California found it in Bahrain. The same year Gulf Oil (along with its British partner Anglo-Persian Oil) found oil in Kuwait. During and after World War II, the region became a primary object of U.S. foreign policy. It was then that policymakers realized that the Middle East was "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history."(4)

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html


    SO, HAGEL SAYS WE'RE NOT THERE FOR FIGS, CATO POINTS OUT WE'RE NOT THERE FOR BANANAS, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT OUR ME FOREIGN POLICY SETTLES AROUND OIL, WELL, EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR HB.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 10-01-14 at 10:51 AM.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    It can be won if the U.S. is willing to fight it in a manner that needs to be done. The problem is too many would cringe at the thought of fighting fire with fire. I work in the fire service. We fight wildland fires on occassion where I live. Part of doing that is to set backfires in order to fight against the one we are trying to put out. We have to be more aggressive than the original fire itself. If we aren't, we'll lose. Same applies to the war on terror. If we continue to coddle those that would do away with us if they got the chance, we'll lose then wonder what happened, or at least some of those not willing to do whatever it takes to win would wonder.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Other - have the POTUS simply declare victory, withdraw our forces and it is over.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I think we can if we had the political will to do it. Our shale oil reserves is larger than all the middle east combined.

    BOOM: US shale surge sinks demand for Saudi petrol ? RT Business

    We have 40 billion barrels of reserves, that includes the shale oils. Off the top if my head, Saudi Arabia has something like 300 billion.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We have 40 billion barrels of reserves, that includes the shale oils. Off the top if my head, Saudi Arabia has something like 300 billion.
    According to IER the US has approximately 2.6 trillion barrels of recoverable oil shale resources.

    Oil Shale - IER


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Nicely said.

    Well, as you may know I am not religious. To me religion is rogue politics that has bused its power and recruited people as soldiers more than in one occasion.

    My point is that if one relies only in force then there may be greater casualties which in turn may increase recruitment. Instead dealing with terror only with force tackling the problem by providing education and jobs seems to be an equally important anti-terror influence.

    At least the killed terrorist by force would then be involved in such activity not due to desperation and financial challenges. The links posted in post 2 work towards those goals I think.
    I don't think the casualties affect recruitment because the Islamic terrorist cares nothing at all about and puts no value whatsoever on human life. Look at their tactics--Hamas, Hezbollah, and all the others deliberately and with forethought place their weaponry in the midst of residential neighborhoods where return fire will be highly likely to inflict civilian casualties--especially women and kids and old people that will tug at the heartstrings of the weak and stupid people of the west who will then turn on their own to stop firing at the terrorists. They force women and children to come into close proximity of their missile launchers and often prevent them from leaving the area. To die for the glory of Allah is a wonderful thing and something all good Muslims should be willing to do. Further they launch their rockets into residential neighborhoods hoping to injure, maim, or kill women, children, old people--anybody. They send their suicide bombers onto crowded busses or markets or other venues where they can hope to kill and maim many. They do not differentiate between civilian and military.

    We err terribly when we think the terrorists feel the same as we do. When we think that they think as we do. When we trust them to have reasonable goals as we do. Religious fanaticism is a terrible thing, and Islam is rampant with it despite the millions of truly nice, pleasant, lovable people who also embrace it. But the faith itself prevents those nice, pleasant, lovable people from going against their Imans/leaders or to publically protest their activities. To underestimate our enemy or to sugar coat him out of some warped sense of political correctness is to give him license, encouragement, and ability to wreck much more havoc upon us. They are not impressed with our education and they laugh at us when we are gullible enough to give them food, supplies, money and ability to acquire more weapons to use against us.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 10-01-14 at 02:36 PM.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I don't think the casualties affect recruitment because the Islamic terrorist cares nothing at all about and puts no value whatsoever on human life. Look at their tactics--Hamas, Hezbollah, and all the others deliberately and with forethought place their weaponry in the midst of residential neighborhoods where return fire will be highly likely to inflict civilian casualties--especially women and kids and old people that will tug at the heartstrings of the weak and stupid people of the west who will then turn on their own to stop firing at the terrorists. They force women and children to come into close proximity of their missile launchers and often prevent them from leaving the area. To die for the glory of Allah is a wonderful thing and something all good Muslims should be willing to do. Further they launch their rockets into residential neighborhoods hoping to injure, maim, or kill women, children, old people--anybody. They send their suicide bombers onto crowded busses or markets or other venues where they can hope to kill and maim many. They do not differentiate between civilian and military.

    We err terribly when we think the terrorists feel the same as we do. When we think that they think as we do. When we trust them to have reasonable goals as we do. Religious fanaticism is a terrible thing, and Islam is rampant with it despite the millions of truly nice, pleasant people who embrace it. To underestimate our enemy or to sugar coat him out of some warped sense of political correctness is to give him license, encouragement, and ability to wreck much more havoc upon us.
    Greetings, AlbqOwl.

    Excellent post!

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If that was the case
    There is no 'if', it happened. Don't be lazy, use The Google like everyone else does to research.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    While I must admit there were atrocious human rights violations by the Hussein regime, that doe not change the fact that Hussein was able to stifle terrorism almost fully in the area.
    You don't think one has to do with the other?

    Are you advocating genocide, institutionalized rape and mass intentional starvation as an effective form of government?

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