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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    There is nothing you can do. It's deep-rooted in them that all non-believers should be killed.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I do not believe we need to remain a superpower. We could scale our military back a large amount. In my view the only reason we maintain superpower status is so that we have the ability to meddle and police the world. To answer your question I would do just as we would do now. If you attack US soil we are going to take you out even if that mean dropping a nuke on your head. I believe that given enough time after we have stopped screwing with everyone that people would be less apt to have quarrel with us.
    I wasn't asking about if you feel we should remain a superpower although its interesting that you are eager to surrender that status. We still de facto have that status and it wont change if we try isolationism. We dont live in a vacuum and frankly I dont know that we could if we wanted to.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    There is nothing you can do. It's deep-rooted in them that all non-believers should be killed.
    I find it a bit shortsighted for some to presume that these ISIS animals dont have their own reason for doing things, besides hating the US.
    They are beheading their fellow countrymen, they would do the same to us if they could and have said as much (in addition to attacking us).

    Theres only one way to deal with that, and its not pretty. Still true though.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama's policies have demonstrably failed, Kobie. He's bad for America. Theres no need to make excuses.
    I never said he was "good" for America; however, I believe our reasons differ as far as his impact.

    But please, keep trying to ram your idiotic talking points down my throat. See how far that gets you.

    Your marching orders are obvious.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    Encouraging poll results so far!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama did not pull out because of sharia law, he pulled out because he insisted at the last minute that the Iraqi govt jump through hoops for him that they weren't willing to do-Obama KNEW this and pulled out anyway.

    As for Maliki and Iran-Obama had 6 years to address this and did nothing. Obama lost the peace for votes in an election season.
    And George Bush had six years to train the Iraqi army to stand on their own. US trained and equipped, 200,000 and they couldn't do the job. But then, none of that has anything to do with the failure of attacking, invading and destabilizing a country that had done nothing to us.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Terrorists are not civillians. They must be seen as enemy combatants or actually as vermin to be exterminated and unworthy of any polite considerations normally exercised in war. And we have to get past this politically correct notion that war is anything other than a horrendous inhumane and indecent act, bloody, unfair, unjust, and savage. While we will not deliberately target civilians who do not aid and abet the enemy, civilians of all ages will inevitably be in the line of fire from time to time and lose their homes, livelihood, and some will be injured, maimed, killed. If not by our hand then by that of the enemy. The purpose of war is to kill the enemy and destroy things. It should never EVER be undertaken when there is any alternative, but neither should we shy away from it when it is necessary to defend our persons, property, homeland, and critical interests.
    Well the links in post 2 are aimed at civilians. It could be perceived as a precaution or prevention to stop them from becoming terrorists.

    The one that is already a terrorist then all the above applies. The links should only derail people from becoming terrorists. It is influence to stop them doing that over poverty.

    All the better for then we may know that the terrorists are not there for money. They had options and choose to be terrorists.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    There's a few people in Boston and London and Mumbai who would disagree. And numerous others. Nothing is contained.
    As for 'recolonizing', that's what got you into this mess in the first place. Unless you think the 9-11 attacks were because 'they hate you because of your freedom'.
    Mumbai isn't connected to same problem her. There's definitely an underlying cause of course, but if you are really going to connect Mumbai, you might as well include the attacks on Russia and China. What happened in Boston was a lone wolf episode, and while those can certainly be deadly, they are no where near the level of what happened on 9/11. As far as London goes, Europe has their own problems with radical Islam that is far more systemic than is in the US. The truth of the matter is that as long as there is some cleric spewing hatred, you probably will have those lone wolfs. But again, we haven't had a major attack on the homeland on the scale of 9/11 for 13 years. And that says a lot.

    What got us "into this mess" was because Bin Laden became a whinely little b**** who didn't like the fact that Saudi Arabia knew they could do better then a bunch of ragtag thugs to defend against Saddam Hussein. Also, when the Arabs were properly under boot, (In the British Empire and before that the Ottomans), you didn't have all this nonsense going on.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And George Bush had six years to train the Iraqi army to stand on their own. US trained and equipped, 200,000 and they couldn't do the job. But then, none of that has anything to do with the failure of attacking, invading and destabilizing a country that had done nothing to us.
    As long as your acknowledging Obama has a hand in this pie... granted though Bush did as much as he could, and it's not really his fault Maliki turned into a secularist now is it?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Well the links in post 2 are aimed at civilians. It could be perceived as a precaution or prevention to stop them from becoming terrorists.

    The one that is already a terrorist then all the above applies. The links should only derail people from becoming terrorists. It is influence to stop them doing that over poverty.

    All the better for then we may know that the terrorists are not there for money. They had options and choose to be terrorists.
    I think my philosophy re how to deal with terrorism would eventually discourage and discredit the terrorists to the point that they could not so easily recruit new terrorists. Render the evil impotent to work their evil--take away their success--and most rational people will choose some other line of work. So the civilian population would be less likely to become enemy combatents. I cannot morally embrace a concept that suggests we kill people because they MIGHT choose to do evil at some later time. I have no problem with killing those who do evil and intend to do more.

    But I did take note of Eric Holder's pronouncement that religious profiling would not be tolerated in our defense against terrorism.

    When Nidal Hasan, who had been taking Islamic training from Anwar al-Awlaki, picked up a handgun and murdered 12 soldiers (one pregnant) and injured 29 others, the Obama administration labeled the incident 'workplace violence.' When Alton Nolan attacked and beheaded a woman and was in the process of killing another--the incident closely following the gruesome ISIS beheadings in the international news--and it was revealed that he had recently converted to Islam, the Obama Administration is labeling the incident as 'workplace violence.' Give me a break. Given that 90 percent or better of terrorist activity around the world is being committed by Islamic extremists or opportunists, to not consider that in the equation is just dumb.

    Until we can set aside the politically correct garbage that has made us into a society of timid sheeple and start calling the evil for what it is, we have little or no chance to effectively deal with the problem. There is certainly no reluctance to call Christian activism for what it is, and to graphically point out a Christian's faith when he or she commits a crime. And when that is done there is no concern whatsoever about offending peaceful Christians. Why are we so timid and afraid that we might offend a peaceful Muslim? If it is somehow dangerous to offend a peaceful Muslim while it is not dangerous to offend a peaceful Christian, shouldn't Islam be considered more dangerous than Christianity?

    And if the consequences of offending are not greater in the Islamic world, then why should Islam get greater deference and protection than Christianity.

    And I say this having Muslim friends, neighbors, and colleagues who I feel absolutely no threat from, who are delightful people, and I love them dearly. So I am NOT saying that all Muslims are evil or dangerous or anything like that. But the fact is that it is Islam involved in most terrorism these days and it is just dumb not to recognize that and factor it into our efforts to stop terrorism.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 09-30-14 at 02:04 PM.
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