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Thread: How Do We End The War on Terror?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    Who says anyone wants to end it?
    I say that in part in jest, but with a bit of seriousness. We're too easily swayed to commit to endless wars, those not easily defined. We keep the goals vague enough that we can fight it forever. It's poor policy in my view, but it is how we do it all too often. So, one has to consider that we really don't want wars to end.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Both of those groups have had support from the US and/or their allies in the region, Getting rid of Assad ( see project for a new American century which predates 9/11 and the war on terror ) proved the duplicity of the approach as did events in Libya ( see PNAC again )
    We don't disagree that aiding the armed elements in Syria's sectarian conflict is not a constructive policy (and I've argued against it time and again) and that such a policy has contributed to the power vacuum that has been exploited by ISIS, among others. I hold similar views with respect to the regime change that was carried out in Libya. In neither case were critical or vital American interests at stake to justify such actions.

    With respect to the PNAC document, I'm not a neoconservative. I believe the neoconservative flaw is the underlying assumption that military force can be an agent for expanding the sphere of democracy. Ironically, the liberal internationalists have similarly flawed thinking when they assume that international institutions can accomplish the similar ends. Note, I'm not arguing against international institutions, as I think they can play a valuable role, but that like any other institution, there are limits to what they can accomplish. Democracy largely depends on a country's own structural and institutional framework, historical experience, absence/presence of civil society, etc. Outside influence, be it international rules or military force, can't readily overcome such basic factors. Hence, the liberal internationalist's neoconservative equivalent, the so-called doctrine of a "responsibility to protect," is just as flawed as its neoconservative counterpart. Both use different rationale to justify the use of force in situations where force can accomplish little.

    Not supporting the national war is also seen as unpatriotic.
    I don't think opposing war is, by itself, "unpatriotic." Compelling arguments can be made for or against a military response. Blanket non-interventionism/neo-isolationism, though, does not provide such lines of argument, as such a doctrine is based on failed assumptions of the past that such an approach can effectively serve as a substitute for deterrence. It can't. Nations have invaded neutral states before. A successful argument against the present use of force would depend on building a viable framework for deterring ISIS from threatening key Western interests and allies, not idealistic assumptions that "if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone."

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're referring here to the list of nations he specifically listed, which includes Sweden, Norway and the Bahamas. How ridiculous.
    So were you when you provided all those links that backed the very opposite of what you claimed they did. It wasn't "ridiculous" then was it ?

    My comment was there to show that countries that didn't occupy Islamic land were also under attack from Islamic terrorism and the list of nations that fit these situations pretty much proves this already known fact.
    Sweden and Norway have provided troops that have played a part in the occupation of Afghanistan. Sweden had a minor incident that was a direct response to their involvement , Norway fears attacks but has so far had NONE.

    That you skipped the massive terrorist attacks by Breivik ( bomb and mass shooting ) speaks volumes

    One of your links that I didn't shred referred to the Madrid bombings. They were definitely a result of Spain's involvement in the illegal attack on Iraq in 2003. Again that goes completely counter to your assertion

    The links you provided backed that up. You just didn't expect anyone to take the time to go through them , obviously.


    And as POS has already stated some of the others contain references to separatist movements in other countries.

    In Europe, separatist terrorist attacks , Left wing terrorist attacks , Right wing terrorist attacks etc etc are far more frequent than Islamic terrorism

    All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't | loonwatch.com

    and the updated one

    Updated Europol Data: Less Than 1% of Terrorist Attacks by Muslims | loonwatch.com


    Try again.
    I don't have to , your own links undermine your claims themselves
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    So were you when you provided all those links that backed the very opposite of what you claimed they did. It wasn't "ridiculous" then was it ?
    It was because I was providing links to prove the point that a country doesn't need to occupy Islamic lands to be under attack from radical Islam.
    The Indonesian link proves it, the French one proves it, the Chinese one. So does the Indian one and many others. They provide cutting evidence to something that should be common sense - nobody is immune to radical Islam.

    Sweden and Norway have provided troops that have played a part in the occupation of Afghanistan
    A very minor part sure but the attacks came when they've had no troops there. Same for Spain. And you'll have to refer to the entire set of links as as I already stated it requires one example to prove the point.

    The links you provided backed that up. You just didn't expect anyone to take the time to go through them , obviously.
    I actually did as I took the time in collecting them to make a statement that was supposed to be an obvious reality.

    And as POS has already stated some of the others contain references to separatist movements in other countries.
    It doesn't matter it shows that those countries were not occupying any Islamic lands and still were targets of radical Islam - which is really the point, it can be separatist movements and it can be any other reason, radical Islam doesn't strike only where it's being hit from and that notion is absurd and illogical.

    Please do refer to the part where I'm exposing you as an anti-West pro-radical-Islam propagandist thaaaaaank you.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    There is an easy way to stop the war on terror. Stop fighting.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The regional powers need to act to bring stability to their own region. We cannot and should not attempt to do it for them.

    Exactly, and Saudi Arabia has the worlds fourth largest military. I think that they could well handle the Islamic State
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    There are only two ways to end a war .... win or lose. There IS no middle ground ... ask Korea.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    There is an easy way to stop the war on terror. Stop fighting.
    That's one way to stop ONE HALF of the war on terror .... what do you propose for the other half?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

    (And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)
    You're right about this. Until we as a nation get the guts to fight this war the right way, not this PC limp wristed feeble nonsense we now call war, this will go one for years. Sorry folks but we have to have a scorched earth policy and fight these new age nazis's with the end goal being to wipe them off the face of the planet.

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