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Thread: How Do We End The War on Terror?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, and when/if we leave, they're going to achieve that "stability" any way they can, such as by acquiring nuclear weapons.
    if that happens, so be it. i'm pretty tired of the fearmongering that is used to keep foreverwar going. in reality, you're infinitely more likely to get killed by a car than by a terrorist. Middle Eastern countries are not going to nuke each other, because it's bad for business, and they like money. they asren't going to fire missiles at us, either. if anyone was going to do that, it would be NK.

    if you'd like a strategy that could actually work, it's replacing oil as a transportation fuel. that's how they fund this stuff.

    either way, it is the responsibility of the regional powers to maintain stability, not the US. if this goal could be achieved through external military force, the region would have been stable for some time now. i don't support a strategy that can't work. get all troops out now, and end perpetual war.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Good idea except for one thing. One cannot eradicate terrorism by force alone. Plus if one were to pile up all the peaceful nation forces in a polar position to terrorists it may polarize positions even more (i.e., may increase recruiting).

    The best possible scenario would be for another superpower (e.g., Russia or China?) to attempt to squash terrorists by force. Sometime the smarter members of the country may turn for help towards us. Then we could intervene (with agreement of course) and "remove" the superpowers' suppressive force. Then we could be heroes rather then the enemy and we would eliminate terror.

    Thereby perhaps the sum of all and possible other ideas may do better service to aid anti-terror campaigns compared to just force.
    But it wouldn't be by force alone. It would be via shared intelligence to thwart plots before they could be implemented, to mutually cooperate to shut off funding, and swift retaliation. Once terrorism becomes ineffective and nonproductive for the terrorists, recruitment and cooperation becomes more difficult for them to achieve. And most would likely eventually just give up and find something else to do. Weakness and timidity only encourages more terrorism. Taking charge of the situation instead of allowing them to dictate it is the only way to go.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But it wouldn't be by force alone. It would be via shared intelligence to thwart plots before they could be implemented, to mutually cooperate to shut off funding, and swift retaliation. Once terrorism becomes ineffective and nonproductive for the terrorists, recruitment and cooperation becomes more difficult for them to achieve. And most would likely eventually just give up and find something else to do. Weakness and timidity only encourages more terrorism. Taking charge of the situation instead of allowing them to dictate it is the only way to go.
    Exactly.

    See my post 2 in this thread about helping people in the area find something else to do. It is also a method of taking charge in the area.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It doesn't need to refer to an attack, the fact the Norwegian authorities claimed an attack was planned proves the threat is real and that was the point.
    Likewise the Stockholm bombings didn't need to be a large scale attack to show that the threat exists and in that case was followed through.

    One also needs to point out the fact that it only takes one case to prove it that it doesn't take an occupation or attacks on Islamic terrorists to draw their attacks.
    I'll remind the reader once again as to what the links are in response to

    " Funny, I haven't heard of any large Islamic attacks on Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, The Bahamas and on and on "

    and are supposed to refute the charge that if you don't get involved in attacking other countries you are safer from attack than if you do
    I have shown that out of the first five...........

    Two are references to speculation over attacks ,not attacks themselves

    Two back up the notion that nations who get involved in attacks against states with a high Muslim population face an increased chance of retaliatory Muslim terrorist attacks at home. That shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with a brain imo

    In this case Sweden's involvement in the attack/occupation on/of Afghanistan ( as cited by the attackers themselves ) and Saudi/US involvement in the invasions/attacks of Iraq.

    Out of the five countries the original poster cited only Sweden has had a retaliatory attack. Norway had only speculation . In fact the biggest terrorist attack in Norway which took the lives of 77 people and injured over 300 was committed by a Norwegian nationalist that had been fired up by the anti Islamic brigade

    Here's what a UK right wing media outlet stated at the time

    British security forces were immediately placed on alert amid fears that Norway’s worst terrorist outrage might be the first in a series of attacks on the West. The carnage followed repeated warnings that al-Qaeda was planning a Mumbai-style attack on countries involved in the war in Afghanistan, where Norway has about 500 troops.
    Norway: 'At least 87' killed in terror attacks - Telegraph

    That was after police had already arrested Anders Breivik which the article writers went on to admit after their initial scaremongering tactics concerning Muslims ( a common currency for the outlet )

    So out of the original list that your post was supposed to be a response to only one country had actually been attacked by Islamic terrorists and the reason given was their involvement in the attack on Afghanistan



    One will also point out you're the only propagandist here knowing you'd defend Islamic terrorism and spread anti-Western propaganda wherever you'd go.
    Pointing out that some people will go to any lengths to continue the war against Muslims , even conjuring up attacks that haven't happened , and using examples that support the case of the opposition , is not " defending Islamic terrorism ". It's just highlighting those that abuse the links they provide
    And you ain't the only one who can overuse the bold function.
    The " overuse " is only in your imagination
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Find a way for average Americans to grow a spine and stop thinking there are terrorists hiding under the bed would be a good start.

    The amount of sheer cowardice in America since 9/11 is disgusting to me.

    When you are victimized, you have a choice...let the attack bring constant fear to your life or don't let the attackers win by putting it behind you and getting on with your life.

    Instead of the latter, America is running around like a scared bully; pissed off, frightened and prepared to do anything, hurt anyone...just so long as that pain goes away.

    The result?

    This WAY overreaction to ISIS, rendition, torture, NSA run wild, Gitmo, TSA, reduction of American's rights, drone strikes, double-tap drone strikes, destabilizing countries, thousands of U.S. soldiers dead, tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed and on and on.

    Grow a spine America.

    Because all you are now - in essence - is a frightened bully.

    How long do those 22 whackos and a loophole in airline security back on 9/11 mean the rest of the world (including those Americans who are not afraid of al Qaeda or ISIS and who crave liberty and freedom above all else) and the Constitution have to suffer?
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    (...)

    So out of the original list that your post was supposed to be a response to only one country had actually been attacked by Islamic terrorists and the reason given was their involvement in the attack on Afghanistan
    You're referring here to the list of nations he specifically listed, which includes Sweden, Norway and the Bahamas. How ridiculous.
    My comment was there to show that countries that didn't occupy Islamic land were also under attack from Islamic terrorism and the list of nations that fit these situations pretty much proves this already known fact.
    Try again.

    Pointing out that some people will go to any lengths to continue the war against Muslims , even conjuring up attacks that haven't happened , and using examples that support the case of the opposition , is not " defending Islamic terrorism ". It's just highlighting those that abuse the links they provide
    Labeling and referring to the war against radical Islam as a "war against Muslims" is just the most recent example of you defending, scratch that, outright siding with Islamic terrorism. Your anti-West agenda is obvious.

    The " overuse " is only in your imagination
    It is actually very well documented.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    I'm kind of resignated as well, and sympathize with your idea -- let's get independent from Middle Eastern oil and let these people sort out their problems on their own.

    Unfortunately, this is difficult for various reasons: It's unlikely they'll leave us alone even if we do, but more likely these islamist thugs will compete for committing new attacks in the West. It's almost impossible to ignore them under these circumstances. And second, there is Israel in the middle of that mess, and I feel we have a certain obligation to support Israel for that it can defend itself. But as long as Israel still exists and we support it, the islamists won't leave us alone either.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Exactly.

    See my post 2 in this thread about helping people in the area find something else to do. It is also a method of taking charge in the area.
    Nonsense. Do you deal with rapists by helping them find something else to do? Arsonists? Burglars? Deal with terrorists by convincing them they will reap few rewards and a whole lot of grief if they continue to engage in terrorism. I am NOT advocating taking charge of any country unless we need to declare war upon which we should go in with overwhelming force and bludgeon them into complete submission and unconditional surrender and then dictate to them the terms by which they regain their autonomy. Otherwise as long as they leave us and our interests alone, they are none of our business.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The question concerns what the West should do to end the war on terror. This question implies that the conclusion of this campaign is entirely up to the West. In fact, the various terrorist organizations ranging from Al Qaeda to ISIS have a lot of influence on this matter.
    Both of those groups have had support from the US and/or their allies in the region, Getting rid of Assad ( see project for a new American century which predates 9/11 and the war on terror ) proved the duplicity of the approach as did events in Libya ( see PNAC again )




    Such a skewed response is inconsistent with prevailing national attitudes. A recent Gallup Poll suggested that 81% of U.S. respondents felt that ISIS poses a critical (50%) or important (31% important but not critical) threat to the vital interests of the United States. (See Gallup Poll of September 20-21, 2014: Iraq). Ignoring such a threat (the non-interventionist/neo-isolationist approach) would not be a logical choice. A 9/12-15 CBS Poll (same website) revealed that 71% of Americans support U.S. airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq and 69% support airstrikes against ISIS in Syria. Moreover, that poll indicated that 57% felt that President Obama’s approach is not tough enough and 31% felt that it is about right. The “too tough” (closest analogy to the non-interventionist/neo-isolationist approach) option garnered 2% of respondents.
    I wouldn't argue about the validity of those poles , however , to me they reflect the medias role in supporting the war. I gave an example of this in an earlier post that referred to Anders Breivik. Magnify that a thousand times over and understand that it is a daily occurrence here in the West and it goes some way to explaining the results imho

    Not supporting the national war is also seen as unpatriotic. Add to this that a very high percentage of those polled will be victims of societal WMDs ( weapons of mass distraction , IE apolitical consumers/reality tv suckers etc etc ) and the whole result starts to unravel further
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Nonsense. Do you deal with rapists by helping them find something else to do? Arsonists? Burglars? Deal with terrorists by convincing them they will reap few rewards and a whole lot of grief if they continue to engage in terrorism. I am NOT advocating taking charge of any country unless we need to declare war upon which we should go in with overwhelming force and bludgeon them into complete submission and unconditional surrender and then dictate to them the terms by which they regain their autonomy. Otherwise as long as they leave us and our interests alone, they are none of our business.
    Okay, but the jobs are not aimed at terrorists, they are aimed at civilians. Bludgeoning civilians into submission so as to carry out interests may not be appropriate?
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