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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I dont care how crazy Islamists live in their societies, when they are muslim societies, since that is a part of what has produced them, but they have brought it to western societies, and they are a scourge. Imo, it is a shame that we can't turn them into dust. Every single one.

    (And we aren't going to end this war, because we dont have the stomach to do what it takes)
    The conciliatory, apologetic, Islam is wonderful and we have been scum strategy certainly didn't accomplish anything more than to make us a laughing stock and appear timid.

    The politically correct strategy hasn't worked. Because every now and then a non-Muslim commits an atrocity, let's just ignore that 90+ percent of terrorist acts and atrocities and attempted terrorist acts and atrocities all over the world are being committed by Muslim extremists or Muslim opportunists. We are supposed to not notice that, do no profiling, avoid using terms Muslim or Islam as much as possible lest we possibly offend a peaceful Muslim. All this has accomplished is to inform the terrorist that terrorism is working, they are effectively affecting our behavior in almost every way, and we are impotent and weak vermin to be exterminated.

    The let's buy their friendship hasn't worked. They gladly take our money, but very little of it goes for food, clothes, and medicine for the people as intended. Most, if not all of it, seems to be going to finance training camps for new terrorists and for weapons they hope to use on us.

    The whack-a-mole strategy hasn't worked--a missile here, some bombs there, send in a few drones, etc.--and every time the intended targets slip through our fingers, you can almost hear the snickering and guffaws at how stupid and anemic we are. If we do manage to kill or arrest one of them, he immediately becomes a glorified martyr championing the glory of Allah. And if they are lucky enough to get some of the women and children into our line of fire so there will be injuries or deaths, they score big because they can use that effectively in their P.R. campaign to brand us the terrible, evil infidels that they believe that we are.

    I suggest we stop all of that ineffective stuff that just encourages and empowers the enemy.

    And then I suggest we establish a firm resolve to stop being the world's police force against terrorism. I don't know whether the idea originated with him, but I heard Bill O'Reilly propose a plan recently that made a lot of sense. Call together all the world's leaders of peaceful nations and have each provide X number of well paid and well trained volunteer mercenary fighters to form a strike force of at least 25,000 guys. Each country maybe proportionately by population will help finance the strike force that will go in with overwhelming force to terribly rout out and punish terrorists wherever they commit terrorism or to stop terrorists when plots are uncovered in advance. No punches will be pulled and retaliation for terrorism will be swift and certain. Any nations who do not participate and help with the funding will be on their own and can expect no intervention or help from anybody else. Unless I'm missing something, it seems to be the best idea I've seen put out there yet.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And in a few years you will be blaming george bush for missing the clues and failing to connect the dots...
    Doubt it.


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    The war on terrorism can be ended as easily as the war on drugs. Both have become industries, both have claimed a moral high ground and made themselves entrenched, established and irrefutable.
    Just stop. Done. Defend yourselves at home and let the crazies fight the lunatics abroad. They don't need guidance.
    As for oil, did you know that the US imports twice as much oil from Canada as it does from Saudi Arabia? Those Arabs don't have near the stranglehold on the US that many people believe. They'd be easy to shake off.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're hilarious and I love you.
    And I have very little respect for you on this subject.

    And you still have not proven your matter-of-fact statement.

    And, btw, it is impossible to prove your statement (I just asked to see how you would react - and your response was predictable).


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The conciliatory, apologetic, Islam is wonderful and we have been scum strategy certainly didn't accomplish anything more than to make us a laughing stock and appear timid.

    The politically correct strategy hasn't worked. Because every now and then a non-Muslim commits an atrocity, let's just ignore that 90+ percent of terrorist acts and atrocities and attempted terrorist acts and atrocities all over the world are being committed by Muslim extremists or Muslim opportunists. We are supposed to not notice that, do no profiling, avoid using terms Muslim or Islam as much as possible lest we possibly offend a peaceful Muslim. All this has accomplished is to inform the terrorist that terrorism is working, they are effectively affecting our behavior in almost every way, and we are impotent and weak vermin to be exterminated.

    The let's buy their friendship hasn't worked. They gladly take our money, but very little of it goes for food, clothes, and medicine for the people as intended. Most, if not all of it, seems to be going to finance training camps for new terrorists and for weapons they hope to use on us.

    The whack-a-mole strategy hasn't worked--a missile here, some bombs there, send in a few drones, etc.--and every time the intended targets slip through our fingers, you can almost hear the snickering and guffaws at how stupid and anemic we are. If we do manage to kill or arrest one of them, he immediately becomes a glorified martyr championing the glory of Allah. And if they are lucky enough to get some of the women and children into our line of fire so there will be injuries or deaths, they score big because they can use that effectively in their P.R. campaign to brand us the terrible, evil infidels that they believe that we are.

    I suggest we stop all of that ineffective stuff that just encourages and empowers the enemy.

    And then I suggest we establish a firm resolve to stop being the world's police force against terrorism. I don't know whether the idea originated with him, but I heard Bill O'Reilly propose a plan recently that made a lot of sense. Call together all the world's leaders of peaceful nations and have each provide X number of well paid and well trained volunteer mercenary fighters to form a strike force of at least 25,000 guys. Each country maybe proportionately by population will help finance the strike force that will go in with overwhelming force to terribly rout out and punish terrorists wherever they commit terrorism or to stop terrorists when plots are uncovered in advance. No punches will be pulled and retaliation for terrorism will be swift and certain. Any nations who do not participate and help with the funding will be on their own and can expect no intervention or help from anybody else. Unless I'm missing something, it seems to be the best idea I've seen put out there yet.
    Good idea except for one thing. One cannot eradicate terrorism by force alone. Plus if one were to pile up all the peaceful nation forces in a polar position to terrorists it may polarize positions even more (i.e., may increase recruiting).

    The best possible scenario would be for another superpower (e.g., Russia or China?) to attempt to squash terrorists by force. Sometime the smarter members of the country may turn for help towards us. Then we could intervene (with agreement of course) and "remove" the superpowers' suppressive force. Then we could be heroes rather then the enemy and we would eliminate terror.

    Thereby perhaps the sum of all and possible other ideas may do better service to aid anti-terror campaigns compared to just force.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Hilarious. I just did. Post #101 names a lot and I bet you can find way more by looking here:
    List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That you need me to name it to you and that you do not know of the existence of such attacks yet choose to debate it is insane.
    You gave me a list of attacks by Islamists in countries whose governments have military occupations in Islamic countries. So thanks for confirming what I said and youve proved yourself wrong too. Well done.


    And get killed for different reasons. Good luck with that, you might as well commit suicide if this is your "way".
    Why should I commit suicide if Im not harming anyone?

    Depends on the circumstance.
    Killing people isn't always a crime.
    You attack a person with a knife he pulls a gun and shoots you down - a crime? Not so much.
    Murder's a crime. Thievery's a crime. Terrorism's a crime.
    And bombing people under false circumstance is a crime and occupying land that doesnt belong to your own country is also a crime. They are called war crimes.

    Hilarious. You'd go so far to blame ****ing Indonesia for meddling with terrorists instead of admitting that your claim is bollocks. Simply hilarious.
    Indonesia has been fighting seperatists since they became a country. there are homegrown terrorists everywhere, like Tim McVeigh. But they dont export their terror to other countries because they arent occupied by said countries.

    More planes, more countries involved and more attacks targeting the terrorists and killing a larger sum of them.
    What do you think the West and Isreal has been doing? Playing patty cakes? Thery have done all that you suggested. And it isnt working. You are obviously too blind to see that.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    The war on terrorism can be ended as easily as the war on drugs. Both have become industries, both have claimed a moral high ground and made themselves entrenched, established and irrefutable.
    Just stop. Done. Defend yourselves at home and let the crazies fight the lunatics abroad. They don't need guidance.
    As for oil, did you know that the US imports twice as much oil from Canada as it does from Saudi Arabia? Those Arabs don't have near the stranglehold on the US that many people believe. They'd be easy to shake off.
    Those suggestions will work fine until there is another 9/11 on the homeland. At this point he strategy is containment, fighting proxy wars and tying up the enemies resources as far away from shore as possible. And it's worked for 13 years.

    The only way to end the threat once for all, is to take a step that many aren't prepared to do, and that is to recolonize the middle east, fix the countries under our authority (not give it to them to mess things up and hand over to radicals). That's not something we're ready to do, nor do I think the threat warrants it. Though I do think that at some point in the future (possibly near), it will be something will have consider when a mushroom cloud forms over a major western city. Like I said though, for now, containment works.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You gave me a list of attacks by Islamists in countries whose governments have military occupations in Islamic countries. So thanks for confirming what I said and youve proved yourself wrong too. Well done.
    Indonesia and China and India and the others in the link I've given you do not occupy any Islamic lands.
    I'm afraid that it is pretty much a scientific fact by now that your claims are nothing but bollocks.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Indonesia and China and India and the others in the link I've given you do not occupy any Islamic lands.
    Those three countries and many others are fighting Islamic seperatists and those groups havent attacked anyone outside of those countries. You know, like Hamas hasnt attacked the US either.

    So youre wrong again.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    A note to readers always , ALWAYS , go through these mass source propaganda type posts. You will be surprised what you find.

    Remember the incidents in the list are supposed to be a response to this statement

    " Funny, I haven't heard of any large Islamic attacks on Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, The Bahamas and on and on "

    and are supposed to refute the charge that if you don't get involved in attacking other countries you are safer from attack than if you do

    here's the list again and my response will be , because of the sheer numbers/site word restrictions , carried out over a series of posts for reasons of clarity starting at the beginning

    2010 Stockholm bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (It didn't happen to Schweden!!11one)
    Syrian Islamist group planning terror attack on Norway, warns intelligence service | Daily Mail Online
    Norway Faces Terror Attack From Group Linked To Extremists In Syria, Officials Warn
    Air France Flight 8969 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Khobar Towers bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Luxor massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    2002 Bali bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    2004 Madrid train bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    2004 Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Coordinated Attacks Kill Dozens in India's Financial Capital
    2009 Beledweyne bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Peshawar church attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Westgate shopping mall attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    2011 Hotan attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    1. 2010 Stockholm bombings

    Two bombs went off in the attacks carried out by a Muslim of Iraqi origin who had posted links to videos of Iraqi prisoner abuses ( presumably Abu Ghraib ) on his face book account. Before the bombs went off an email was sent to the Swedish authorities and a media outlet that stated the attack was a response to Swedish forces involvement in Afghanistan , it also stated “"Now your children, daughters and sisters will die in the same way our brothers and sisters die “

    The bomber himself was the only fatality with two people receiving minor injuries

    To conclude it was not a “ large scale “ attack . And it actually confirms the opposite of what the poster intended IE Swedish involvement in the war was what inspired it ( get used to the idea , it will appear again soon )


    2. Syrian Islamist group planning terror attack on Norway

    This second link doesn’t even refer to an attack that has occurred , it only refers to speculation that some Norwegian Muslims might plan stuff on their return from Syria where , you’ve guessed it , Western interference and that of its allies has accounted for much of the death and destruction there. If the US and others carry out the threat to extend bombing campaigns in Syria these people may well carry out their alleged plans.

    Once again this runs directly counter to the posters alleged assertion and is not proof of his claims anyhow
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