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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The ottomans missed out on the oil boom (thankfully) but if they had not, looking at the genocides in Greece, Armenia, etc it would have been antagonistic to the west, and probably many more would have been killed. Its not to wild to see them joining the Axis in WW2, meaning the war in eastern europe, north Africa, and the mediterranean would have been protratd.
    On the other hand, if Attaturk still came to power his promotion of secular government, relatively democratic government and literacy might have spread throughout the region.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left and its labels.
    The dictionary and its labels.

    A leading Bush II administration figure, I believe it was Rumsfeld, also wanted to call it a war on Islamist extremists instead of the war on terror because it is more accurate and you can't expect to wina war against a technique. Using accurate terms makes for better communication.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I'm talking about the Buddhists that were in Iraq. They were never part of the war. The point is.....they went after those who did nothing to them. But live there.
    I think you mean Afghanistan. There were never a significant number of Buddhists in Iraq.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The dictionary and its labels.

    A leading Bush II administration figure, I believe it was Rumsfeld, also wanted to call it a war on Islamist extremists instead of the war on terror because it is more accurate and you can't expect to wina war against a technique. Using accurate terms makes for better communication.
    That's kinda ridiculous though, you cannot expect to win a war on the extremists of Islam anymore than you can on terrorists.
    One is an ideology, an idea a person has that makes him a radical Islamist, the other is the willingness to carry an attack on innocents for political gain.
    They're equally beatable and the labels argument is quite silly.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I provided evidence - not that I see why I had to since it should be the obvious - that Islamic terrorists target not just states that involve themselves with the lands of Iraq, Syria and others, but also seemingly uninvolved states such as Indonesia, China and India. That proves beyond any doubt that terrorism may choose to strike countries even if they're not occupying their majestic lands of Allah. Shocking really.

    Now it is my turn to ask a question - do you really believe this bollocks? That a complete disengagement from Mideast issues will lead to peaceful times for the US, will guard it from Islamic terrorism? Are you really that naive?

    The United States represents the West, with all of the values that radical Islam despises, what on earth made you take to the opinion that they'll cease their attacks on it if it won't involve itself with the Mideast anymore? This is simply stupid, can't find a better word to describe it.
    I said 'proof'...not 'evidence'. ANYTHING can be 'evidence'.

    So, those links are your 'unbiased, factual proof' of your statement?



    Clearly you don't know what 'factual' and 'proof' mean.

    So be it.


    Your question?

    I don't believe America will stop being a target for al Qaeda/ISIS so long as a) the former keeps meddling in the ME and/or b) al Qaeda/ISIS believe they can goad America to meddle in the ME by threatening/carrying out terrorist attacks against her.

    No doubt you disagree.

    No doubt I don't much care.


    We are done here, for now.


    Good day.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Its been 13 years since 9/11 and yet it seems there are now more terrorists than ever before. Can this war be won? What are your thoughts on this? Are the governments of the West doing the right things or are they making the situation worse?

    As for me, I dont want to see another American solider or civilian killed in a pointless war with no end. The West needs to stop minding the business of other countries. No more overseas military bases or occupation- if these Islamists want to live according to their religion then I say let them do it. These very governments like Saudi Arabia, who we are fighting with to maintain their status quo over there are the very people who bankroll these terrorists. The US has got the largest shale oil deposits in the world- more than the entire middle east combined, why not spend billions in developing these fields and get oil form then instead of letting the Arabs do it and paying them for it?


    I could not agree more. Add to that in the US, foreign policy is for domestic consumption. Period.

    Whether it is Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq V2.0, there is no real goal. Vietnam was about stopping the "domino effect" a theory invented by a commie hunter. they never had an objective, there was no "win" they could point to.

    Afghanistan? I have talked to Canadian soldiers who were in Kandahar and while they knew individual objectives, no one has ever known what "win" looks like...I wonder if they even have a concept for "over."

    In Iraq V2.0, Bush went after WMD's, found none but stayed because, well the invasion and assassination of Sadam kind of ruined a structured society all together as the country hasn't had stability since.

    And then there was the pull out by Obama. At the time liberals tore into me for suggesting no objectives had been met, the pull out was arbitrary and now here we are.

    I agree. It is time the US stopped being the world's policeman, as we are seeing this whole thing is like a heavily armed game of bobbing for apples...you suppress one insurgency here, another pops up there. Change a regime there and have a new enemy here.

    It's not working.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I said 'proof'...not 'evidence'. ANYTHING can be 'evidence'.

    So, those links are your 'unbiased, factual proof' of your statement?



    Clearly you don't know what 'factual' and 'proof' mean.

    So be it.


    Your question?

    I don't believe America will stop being a target for al Qaeda/ISIS so long as a) the former keeps meddling in the ME and/or b) al Qaeda/ISIS believe they can goad America to meddle in the ME by threatening/carrying out terrorist attacks against her.

    No doubt you disagree.

    No doubt I don't much care.


    We are done here, for now.


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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I think you mean Afghanistan. There were never a significant number of Buddhists in Iraq.
    Yeah it was Afghanistan.....I was wrong on them in attacking villages in Iraq. They only killed a few in isolated events.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Terrorism is not justifiable, but it is normal human behavior and completely understandable and predictable. Assuming that those who do it are simply crazy fanatics will make it harder to reduce terrorism.

    Terrorism is a technique that is mostly used by those who think that they have few alternative methods to achieve their goals. The benefit of terrorism is that it is inexpensive and doesn't require many participants. It doesn't necessarilly succeed in achieving goals, but it it does put the terrorist's grievances in front of the world.

    The factors that motivate terrorists are the sense of powerlessness that results from the inability to participate in decision making, lack of education, anger over poverty and injustice, and a desire for revenge for violence from other factions, oppressors, invaders and occupiers. Ideologies and religions give angry people a direction to direct their anger.

    People with hope of success through peaceful means do not need to commit violence. Those with an ideology that is oppressed or unpopular are more likely to commit violence. Oppression can be reducd or eliminated, and that will reduce terrorism, but there will always be unpopular ideologies and some people sufficiently committed or crazy enough to want to impose their will. That type of terrorism will never completely disappear.

    With technology making travel and communication easier the impact of regional conflicts is worldwide as refugees flee and conflicts spread. The USA's role as world police insures that we will always have enemies.

    Terrorism can be drastically reduced be improving education, eliminating, or at least ending our support for oppressive governments, giving everyone a voice in decision making, increasing employment and ending poverty. That will be a long, difficult and expensive struggle. It is not something that can be imposed on unwilling people by outsiders, they have to be convinced and influenced with obvious benefits and by our good example. (ie. by building schools, providing disaster relief and engaging in fair trade.)

    Using covert action to influence or control governments and killing people is simpler, easier, more profitable and more fun for the winners. It will not succeed at reducing terrorism unless we kill at a genocidal level, commit to long term occupations of large regions and have a security state at home that will take away our few remaining freedoms and cause significant inconvenience and spend much of our prosperity on endless war.

    There is also the option of combining these two options and doing them both halfway, which essentailly has been the USA's strategy since WWII.

    Like it or not, like very other type of violence, terrorism is here to stay and nothing will completely end it because there will always be someone out there angry and/or crazy enough to do it. We can let that fact push us into endless war, mass murder and imprisonment and a near complete loss of our freedom.

    The alternative is to just live our lives as usual, quietly pursue and catch the perpetrators as the criminals that they are, and refuse to let the most desperate, fanatical and violent people dictate how we live and act while continually struggling to eliminate the causes of terrorism. Since every method will have its costs, failures and difficulties, I think we should choose the option(s) most likely to improve the most lives.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 09-28-14 at 06:23 PM.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin PoS. Well.....the Buddhists didn't bomb them nor occupy them. So why did they go and kill the Buddhists and burn down their temples and homes? Buddhists Shrines etc etc.
    Um, it was Afghanistan, it was the 5th century carved statues....which are being rebuilt. They were dynamited..by extremists...you know....like abortion clinics in the US.
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