The West is doing the right thing.
We need more WAAAUGH! We need to bomb more! Boots on the ground!
The West needs to change their foreign policy. Stop meddling in other countries.
A leading Bush II administration figure, I believe it was Rumsfeld, also wanted to call it a war on Islamist extremists instead of the war on terror because it is more accurate and you can't expect to wina war against a technique. Using accurate terms makes for better communication.
One is an ideology, an idea a person has that makes him a radical Islamist, the other is the willingness to carry an attack on innocents for political gain.
They're equally beatable and the labels argument is quite silly.
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."
So, those links are your 'unbiased, factual proof' of your statement?
Clearly you don't know what 'factual' and 'proof' mean.
So be it.
I don't believe America will stop being a target for al Qaeda/ISIS so long as a) the former keeps meddling in the ME and/or b) al Qaeda/ISIS believe they can goad America to meddle in the ME by threatening/carrying out terrorist attacks against her.
No doubt you disagree.
No doubt I don't much care.
We are done here, for now.
'What kind of sick and twisted toy factory is this?'
'We are all the sum of our tears. Too little and the ground is not fertile, and nothing can grow there. Too much, the best of us is washed away.'
"Better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool."
I could not agree more. Add to that in the US, foreign policy is for domestic consumption. Period.
Whether it is Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq V2.0, there is no real goal. Vietnam was about stopping the "domino effect" a theory invented by a commie hunter. they never had an objective, there was no "win" they could point to.
Afghanistan? I have talked to Canadian soldiers who were in Kandahar and while they knew individual objectives, no one has ever known what "win" looks like...I wonder if they even have a concept for "over."
In Iraq V2.0, Bush went after WMD's, found none but stayed because, well the invasion and assassination of Sadam kind of ruined a structured society all together as the country hasn't had stability since.
And then there was the pull out by Obama. At the time liberals tore into me for suggesting no objectives had been met, the pull out was arbitrary and now here we are.
I agree. It is time the US stopped being the world's policeman, as we are seeing this whole thing is like a heavily armed game of bobbing for apples...you suppress one insurgency here, another pops up there. Change a regime there and have a new enemy here.
It's not working.
"Small people talk about people, average people talk about events, great people talk about ideas" Eleanor Roosevelt
Terrorism is not justifiable, but it is normal human behavior and completely understandable and predictable. Assuming that those who do it are simply crazy fanatics will make it harder to reduce terrorism.
Terrorism is a technique that is mostly used by those who think that they have few alternative methods to achieve their goals. The benefit of terrorism is that it is inexpensive and doesn't require many participants. It doesn't necessarilly succeed in achieving goals, but it it does put the terrorist's grievances in front of the world.
The factors that motivate terrorists are the sense of powerlessness that results from the inability to participate in decision making, lack of education, anger over poverty and injustice, and a desire for revenge for violence from other factions, oppressors, invaders and occupiers. Ideologies and religions give angry people a direction to direct their anger.
People with hope of success through peaceful means do not need to commit violence. Those with an ideology that is oppressed or unpopular are more likely to commit violence. Oppression can be reducd or eliminated, and that will reduce terrorism, but there will always be unpopular ideologies and some people sufficiently committed or crazy enough to want to impose their will. That type of terrorism will never completely disappear.
With technology making travel and communication easier the impact of regional conflicts is worldwide as refugees flee and conflicts spread. The USA's role as world police insures that we will always have enemies.
Terrorism can be drastically reduced be improving education, eliminating, or at least ending our support for oppressive governments, giving everyone a voice in decision making, increasing employment and ending poverty. That will be a long, difficult and expensive struggle. It is not something that can be imposed on unwilling people by outsiders, they have to be convinced and influenced with obvious benefits and by our good example. (ie. by building schools, providing disaster relief and engaging in fair trade.)
Using covert action to influence or control governments and killing people is simpler, easier, more profitable and more fun for the winners. It will not succeed at reducing terrorism unless we kill at a genocidal level, commit to long term occupations of large regions and have a security state at home that will take away our few remaining freedoms and cause significant inconvenience and spend much of our prosperity on endless war.
There is also the option of combining these two options and doing them both halfway, which essentailly has been the USA's strategy since WWII.
Like it or not, like very other type of violence, terrorism is here to stay and nothing will completely end it because there will always be someone out there angry and/or crazy enough to do it. We can let that fact push us into endless war, mass murder and imprisonment and a near complete loss of our freedom.
The alternative is to just live our lives as usual, quietly pursue and catch the perpetrators as the criminals that they are, and refuse to let the most desperate, fanatical and violent people dictate how we live and act while continually struggling to eliminate the causes of terrorism. Since every method will have its costs, failures and difficulties, I think we should choose the option(s) most likely to improve the most lives.
Last edited by Hard Truth; 09-28-14 at 04:23 PM.