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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    From what I can see, the only link to a country I listed was Sweden and an (supposed) aborted attempt in Norway. And that guy (in Sweden) was even booted out of his own mosque for his views...so clearly he was just a whacko (from your link):

    ' During Ramadan in 2007, after al-Abdaly tried to recruit other Muslims who shared his political views when he preached at the Luton mosque he stormed out when confronted about his beliefs[4] and was forbidden to return.'

    And there is no evidence that it was ordered by al Qaeda.


    And the 'aborted' attack in Norway means ZIP to me....I don't trust authorities saying they stopped attacks for one second. Could be just police trying to look good for their superiors OR politicians looking for justification for their actions.
    So, you proved ZERO attacks by al Qaeda against one country I mentioned.

    BTW - I point out that a non-Muslim in Norway killed far more people in a terrorist attack then any Muslim...so your theory there goes right out the window.

    2011 Norway attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Now, are you going to answer my question or not?

    You said:

    'Your expectations that if you don't get involved with the countries the terrorism origins in it won't be reaching you in the near future are simply detached from reality.''

    Now, where are your links that show unbiased, factual proof of your matter-of-fact statement?
    You're just as funny as your friend PoS.
    I'm having fun.

    So now you're asking only for al-Qaeda attacks, not just any terror attacks.
    And the funniest part so far is that you actually said now you want examples of attacks on all of the nations that you have specifically listed (including the Bahamas), not just on nations that haven't occupied anyone, and you're not settling for two out of six. It's so hilarious I can't stop laughing. Your claims are bizarre sure but the way you engage in argument is way more.

    Oh and you don't trust Norwegian authorities.
    ****ing Norway and you don't trust it.
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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Islamic Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I am impressed with how many of you believe that Islamofascism exists because we do. Sunni and Shia have been battling one another for 1300 years for control of the political-religious conflict-based Islam that promises a sword and murder until there are no more unbelievers.

    To win this phase of the war we will have to decide that our goal is to defeat and destroy Islam in the same way we defeated and destroyed National Socialism and International Socialism. It will require ending the dominance in our universities and media by the anti-American socialist left. It will require fighting and destroying the supporting structures for the worldwide terror campaigns. We need to become self sufficient in energy production as a major part of our strategy to destroy Islam.

    We will have to inform countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Iran, and many others that should they continue to support groups we consider extreme we will treat them as hostile enemy nations.

    We must tell the European nations that they are on their own to solve their problems. They need to man up and arm up.

    We need to eliminate all immigrant Muslims who are here in the united states. They are a danger to us. We need to prevent Islamist outreach to our violent criminal populations. If we want to convert them then let's pipe nonstop conservative talk radio into their environments.

    We need to decide that we cannot wage a war with no civilian casualties. We can take care but should not take undue care. In war people who have done nothing wrong die. Ending a war quickly through sustained, decisive actions will minimize the numbers of innocent dead.

    We need to plan to stay in the places we go for at least one hundred years.
    No, you're absolutely right, extremist Islam would exist regardless, it's been our actions in the Middle East that have made it turn on us however. Had we not interfered in the Middle East, they might be happily murdering each other (there are more than just two sects of Islam that have been involved in bloody conflicts), they wouldn't be flying planes into our buildings or targeting our reporters. They don't hate us because of our freedom, they hate us because we've been dicks.

    And you're not going to destroy Islam. It's just not going to happen. It's a completely untenable political position to take. If you even attempt to do that, you'll have the international community rise up against us and I don't think that we want to go up against the rest of the planet. Most countries don't even want to bomb ISIL, our ridiculous coalition is made up of nations we're paying to give lip service to it so we don't look like we're alone already. It's all about appearances, not about actually having a coalition. And yes, we need to be energy independent, regardless of the current conflict in the Middle East.

    Of course, lots of the countries that have been actively supporting ISIL are our "allies" and they are also nuclear powers and we don't attack anyone who has the potential to hurt us back. We're the bullies that kick sand in the face of 98-lb weaklings on the beach. We know that Saudi Arabia bred and trained the majority of the 9/11 hijackers, for instance, but did we go after them? Nope, we never did a thing about it. I also agree with you on Europe, but they're not willing to man up either. They've relied for so long on the U.S., which has voluntarily acted as the world's policeman, to solve their problems. We've made our own problems there too.

    The rest of your plan will never fly, it's entirely unrealistic to expect us to throw out all Muslims and besides, how would you know if someone is a Muslim anyhow? Are you going to be racist and throw out everyone of Middle Eastern descent? Are you just going to throw out the Constitution? That's what would be required.
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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're just as funny as your friend PoS.
    I'm having fun.

    So now you're asking only for al-Qaeda attacks, not just any terror attacks.
    And the funniest part so far is that you actually said now you want examples of attacks on all of the nations that you have specifically listed (including the Bahamas), not just on nations that haven't occupied anyone, and you're not settling for two out of six. It's so hilarious I can't stop laughing. Your claims are bizarre sure but the way you engage in argument is way more.

    Oh and you don't trust Norwegian authorities.
    ****ing Norway and you don't trust it.
    That is twice you have avoided my question.


    Again...

    You said:

    'Your expectations that if you don't get involved with the countries the terrorism origins in it won't be reaching you in the near future are simply detached from reality.''

    Now, where are your links that show unbiased, factual proof of your matter-of-fact statement?

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    When people say "War on Terror" they refer to the global fight against radical Islam.
    What else would they be referring to?
    The IRA? Unabomber? The Oklahoma city guys?

    The point is that terrorism is a tactic, not a thing that a war can be won against.

    You could theoretically defeat radical Islam.

    But you can't "defeat" targeting civilians to further a political agenda any more than you can "defeat" bombing with cruise missiles. One could defeat an enemy using cruise missiles completely, but the cruise missile would still exist.
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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Islamic Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, you're absolutely right, extremist Islam would exist regardless,
    This is where you should have stopped. For as long as I have been aware of Islam we have been the Great Satan and Israel has been the Little Satan.

    it's been our actions in the Middle East that have made it turn on us however. Had we not interfered in the Middle East, they might be happily murdering each other (there are more than just two sects of Islam that have been involved in bloody conflicts), they wouldn't be flying planes into our buildings or targeting our reporters. They don't hate us because of our freedom, they hate us because we've been dicks.
    I see. They hate us because we buy Middle Eastern Oil. They also hate us because we support Israel.

    Is your first instinct to blame America? If so you are probably an anti-American leftist.

    And you're not going to destroy Islam. It's just not going to happen. It's a completely untenable political position to take.
    Had you been around in the late 1930s I am certain you would have said the same about National Socialism.

    And yet here we are. National Socialism is no longer a threat. It was just as hateful as Islam is. To defeat a hateful ideology one must first choose to do so.

    If you even attempt to do that, you'll have the international community rise up against us
    Who are they, exactly? How many divisions do they have?

    and I don't think that we want to go up against the rest of the planet. Most countries don't even want to bomb ISIL, our ridiculous coalition is made up of nations we're paying to give lip service to it so we don't look like we're alone already.
    Perhaps it is because their leaders have allowed a large number of Islamists into their countries and they a too meek to send them all home.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Islamic Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    . . .it's been our actions in the Middle East that have made it turn on us however. Had we not interfered in the Middle East, they might be happily murdering each other (there are more than just two sects of Islam that have been involved in bloody conflicts), they wouldn't be flying planes into our buildings or targeting our reporters. They don't hate us because of our freedom, they hate us because we've been dicks.

    . . . We're the bullies that kick sand in the face of 98-lb weaklings on the beach. . . . We've made our own problems there [in Europe] too.
    Am I wrong to see that you are largely anti-American? It has been our actions...had we not interfered...we made our own problems...we are the bullies?

    Thanks.

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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Islamic Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is where you should have stopped. For as long as I have been aware of Islam we have been the Great Satan and Israel has been the Little Satan.
    Because we've been meddling in their affairs for a long, long, long time, back at least as far as 1954, probably longer.

    I see. They hate us because we buy Middle Eastern Oil. They also hate us because we support Israel.
    No, they don't hate us because we buy their oil but because we tell them what to do with their oil, how to run their countries, we depose their governments and impose dictators, we invade them because we don't like what they're doing, etc. And yes, some of it is because we support Israel, which I don't think we ought to be doing either.

    Is your first instinct to blame America? If so you are probably an anti-American leftist.
    Nope, it's to deal with reality. We're just a country, like everyone else. We're not special, we don't get extra rights and privileges, we're part of the world community yet we've been trying to be big dog on the block. That's our problem.

    Had you been around in the late 1930s I am certain you would have said the same about National Socialism.
    No, National Socialism invaded other sovereign countries. Had they been content to stay inside Germany, I couldn't care less how they run their own nation. The same is true of Islam. They can do what they want to do within their own sphere of influence. We need to learn to keep our nose out of other people's business.

    And yet here we are. National Socialism is no longer a threat. It was just as hateful as Islam is. To defeat a hateful ideology one must first choose to do so.
    Islam is not a hateful belief system, only the most extremist factions are. There are plenty of hateful factions of Christianity, should we wipe out all Christians because there are a lot of idiots too?

    Who are they, exactly? How many divisions do they have?
    You want to go to war with the planet? Seriously?

    Perhaps it is because their leaders have allowed a large number of Islamists into their countries and they a too meek to send them all home.
    Then hell, let's expel all Christians from America too. Throw out all of the religious people. They cause too many problems.
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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Islamic Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Am I wrong to see that you are largely anti-American? It has been our actions...had we not interfered...we made our own problems...we are the bullies?

    Thanks.
    And you're an ignorant pro-American apologist. You think the nation can do no wrong. Thanks.
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    Re: How Do We Win The War on Islamic Terror?

    "Am I wrong to see that you are largely anti-American? It has been our actions...had we not interfered...we made our own problems...we are the bullies?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And you're an ignorant pro-American apologist. You think the nation can do no wrong. Thanks.
    You should have just said "Yes, Mr. Veritis. I am an anti-American leftist."

    That would have been correct and sufficient.

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    Re: How Do We End The War on Terror?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That is twice you have avoided my question.


    Again...

    You said:

    'Your expectations that if you don't get involved with the countries the terrorism origins in it won't be reaching you in the near future are simply detached from reality.''

    Now, where are your links that show unbiased, factual proof of your matter-of-fact statement?
    I provided evidence - not that I see why I had to since it should be the obvious - that Islamic terrorists target not just states that involve themselves with the lands of Iraq, Syria and others, but also seemingly uninvolved states such as Indonesia, China and India. That proves beyond any doubt that terrorism may choose to strike countries even if they're not occupying their majestic lands of Allah. Shocking really.

    Now it is my turn to ask a question - do you really believe this bollocks? That a complete disengagement from Mideast issues will lead to peaceful times for the US, will guard it from Islamic terrorism? Are you really that naive?

    The United States represents the West, with all of the values that radical Islam despises, what on earth made you take to the opinion that they'll cease their attacks on it if it won't involve itself with the Mideast anymore? This is simply stupid, can't find a better word to describe it.
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